(gentle music)
-: Yeah, and,
tell us a little bit about your business.
-: I'd like bring in relationship work with you, Sarah.
-: Sounds good.
Now that we're both current.
(drowned out by group laughing)
Good work, it's fine.
(laughing)
So, it's possible that Darren might wanna jump in and help
us facilitate, unless we think we wanna do it on our own.
-: I think I have it, but if you ever
yeah, this way?
Cameraman: No, sorry.
(laughing)
-: If you wanna jump in, feel free.
-: Okay.
-: I'll pause you at times just to go through the steps,
if you need it.
But if you're doing okay, -: Okay.
-: I'll stay back. -: Okay, okay.
-: I wanna start by committing to being humble
and to trying to see your perspective
as much as possible in this conversation.
-: And I commit to listening and being receptive
to whatever,
whatever you're bringing to the circle
and to our team (muffled speaking).
-: The specific thing that I wanna bring
has to do with something that you shared at huddle
this morning, and we talked about, actually,
during our coaching meeting.
Which is the extra commitment during expeditions on Fridays.
And I wanna start by saying that I think it was 100%
the right decision to make.
And the same one that I would've made, had I been a leader.
I think it's absolutely what's best for our scholars.
The reason I'm bringing it up
is that I feel a little bit like
I had this trust.
Like this message was given to me that Friday expeditions
were gonna be this sacred time for teachers
to be able to plan.
I was a little bit skeptical of that,
to begin with. (laughing)
And I think I feel maybe just at tiny bit cynical
and a tiny bit hurt that
that fear was validated because this extra time
is now being spent.
Which I think, like I said, is the right thing to do,
but I,
I guess my frustration lies in the promise in the beginning
rather than in the decision to fix things.
I just wish that I hadn't been told that it was gonna
be this time I was gonna have to plan,
and I feel like it's actually not, yeah.
-: So I heard you saying
that you
feel,
I might've missed the feeling,
but feel like you were promised something.
Promised that expeditions Fridays
would be sacred,
uninterrupted planning time.
And that the,
what we shared this morning
at huddle, and what you and I have spoken about in terms of
having lead teacher support on Fridays,
while something that you would also choose to do,
and you feel like is the right decision,
kind of goes against that promise
that was made about Fridays
being uninterrupted planning time.
And you would prefer that you had not been promised
that time,
because now it's feeling like that promise is, like,
we're going back on that.
-: Yeah.
-: Katie, will you,
I also thought you didn't say the feeling very strongly.
You snuck it in there where you kinda diminished it
a little bit.
So, say the feeling directly how it made you feel,
and then so she can, -: Yeah.
Darren: Reflect on it and validate it.
You were really nice about it.
(laughing) (coughing)
-: It made me feel hurt.
It made me feel
I guess a little angry,
because I do feel like my trust was violated
to some degree. -: Yeah.
Yep.
-: Was that good? (muffled speaking)
-: Yeah, I heard you say that
you
felt hurt.
And a little bit angry.
And like the trust that, I'll say we have, was violated
by this decision.
And I
totally understand.
I'm gonna respond if that's okay?
Darren: Validate first.
-: Yes.
So, yeah.
I totally see why you feel that way, because
it was deliberately said that
there would be
planning time on Fridays,
and now we are asking for
people to
you know, coach (muffled speaking) transition coaches,
and first three (drowned out by coughing).
So
that
of course feels like a promise that was made
is now kind of being pulled back a little bit.
-: And now,
I have like some things that I think I'd like to suggest,
is this a good time for that?
No?
Okay, no.
(laughing)
Darren: It's time you respond to how,
-: Oh.
Darren: What she said made you feel.
-: Oh.
Okay.
So.
I feel like I'm with you, and I,
like I feel hurt that you are hurt by that.
Which is probably why we're both crying (chuckles).
I feel hurt that you are hurt by that.
I think this is, again, it's such a small example,
but it's a really great example, for me at least,
of like being the leader is hard (chuckles).
Because,
and we talked about this today and laughed about it today.
Like, this is a decision that needed to be made
and I also know that in making that decision,
like, it hurt you and probably others in the circle, too.
So I feel hurt that something I,
that something I did with others
hurt you and violated our trust.
I, yeah, I can stop there.
-: So you feel hurt
because a decision that the team made
hurt me, and you feel,
I'm paraphrasing here, but I'm guessing you feel
that
part of the reason it's so difficult to be a leader
is because you have to make decisions that sometimes
hurt people, and that you
didn't necessarily want to make.
Or that you know go back on a promise.
And that's a really difficult position to be in.
-: Yeah, it is.
-: Yeah.
(drowned out by talking over each other)
Darren: So do you feel like you've got to say
what you wanted to say
in terms of the basic communication?
-: Yeah, I do.
-: Yeah, I have something that I could say first
that might help, but I don't wanna jump
in the relationship dance.
So,
if you want you could just share
what you would like next time, or,
'cause I have a reflection.
Actually, you should share.
-: Okay. -: Yeah.
-: Sounds great.
I was brainstorming things that might have helped
and they might not have.
But one of 'em might be to sort of discuss
with the teachers, or share with the teachers
decisions.
I know that everything can't be crowdsourced.
-: Yeah.
-: But often we suggest things in huddle,
a bunch of teachers have
really great suggestions, -: Yeah.
-: For ways to fix things.
And I think that might've been one of them.
So maybe if we had spent more time ahead of time,
-: Yeah.
-: Thinking expeditions might be really rough.
That might've helped solve some of those problems
in the first place.
And, I already forgot what the second one was.
Oh.
And this
probably isn't the thing to bring to you,
but maybe.
I would like to suggest that we try really hard to
do a few things really well, and not a million things
because I feel like we're doing a million things poorly
right now.
And I almost feel like we're expected to.
So,
I just think every time we add something
to someone else's plate, we should try really hard
to say, like, does this have to happen?
And in this case, I think it does.
-: Yeah. -: But,
just always thinking
about that. -: Yep.
Yeah.
So the piece that I'll
pull up from that is that
in thinking about, I heard you say that
in thinking about what we are asking of people,
we are thinking that they are,
we are first asking are these absolutely critical things
that have to happen?
And then the other
thing that you would like in the future is
potentially crowdsourcing, or using the great intelligence
and strength in our room
to come up with solutions that could potentially be better
than (muffled speaking).
So, I can commit to that first thing that you shared
is what,
what I was sort of already thinking.
Which is, and again, like,
you know, time I was gonna kinda,
time is like
always a factor in these types of things.
But what I can commit to,
and I think is a really good commitment to make
in this case is that for this week
we do what we said we were gonna do.
And then we,
we do some of that crowdsourcing
based on how this Friday goes
to figure out is this level of support even necessary,
or how can we make it better
while minimizing the impact on people's time?
'Cause I think
yeah, I think that's definitely one I commit to
to ensure that
we get the best possible solution
with the minimal impact on people's time,
while still ensuring that our culture stays really strong.
(muffled speaking)
Darren: Do you need anything else?
-: Is there anything you would like me to do?
-: Sure.
You're already doing this, but I
yeah, it would,
what I love about the business that you just shared
and what you've done a couple times in the past as well,
it would be helpful to hear that commitment
from is just that like,
even
if I potentially take something that
dings that trust momentarily,
hopefully it'll be momentarily,
That you'll still stick with me and trust me
because I care about
our kids, a lot,
and you all in the circle so, so much.
And that all, you know, everybody who's behind
making decisions like this feels that way.
-: I can absolutely commit to trusting you
and to sticking with you,
and knowing that you 100% have our best interests at heart.
-: Thanks.
(coughing)
-: Some people have residence or supporters
who are back for any of their.
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