Rep. Trey Gowdy Smells Dirty Liberal Rat In Washington Dems Shaking In Their Boots
I'm Chris Wallace a year after the 2016 election was at Hillary Clinton and the
Democrats who colluded with the Russians
she denied it her own people deny that everybody denied it and now they're sort
of scooting around trying to figure out what to say who in the Clinton campaign
approved paying for the Russia dossier on Donald Trump and did they break the
law and what does it mean for the investigation into Russian collusion
with the Trump campaign will ask House Oversight Committee Chair trey Gowdy
only on Fox News Sunday and hello again from Fox News in Washington we begin
with the latest reports at least one person has been charged in connection
with Special Counsel Robert Muller's investigation into Russian meddling in
the 2016 election the reports say a federal grand jury approved the charges
Friday those charges have been sealed by a judge and anyone facing charges could
be taken into custody as soon as tomorrow meanwhile House Republicans are
launching new investigations into Hillary Clinton including the revelation
that her campaign and the Democratic National Committee paid for opposition
research that led to the Russia dossier that accused the Trump campaign of
collusion with the Russians joining us now to discuss all this congressman trey
Gowdy chairman of the House Oversight Committee chairman let's start with the
report from several news outlets that the first Muller charges will be
announced tomorrow as a former federal prosecutor yourself what will you be
looking for well first of all Chris we don't know who's being charged let's
assume arguing no the reporting is true we don't know who's being charged we
don't know what they're being charged for we don't know the time period I will
tell you that's the only conversation I've had with Robert Mulder it was
stressing to him the importance of cutting out the leaks with respect to
serious investigations so it is kind of ironic that the people will charge with
the investigating the law and executing the
law would violate the law and make no mistake disclosing grand jury material
is a violation of the law so as a former prosecutor I'm disappointed that you and
I are having the conversation because somebody violated their oath of secrecy
let's handicap this though if you will sort of expert analysis as a federal
prosecutor you're quite right we do not know who's
being charged and what they're being charged for what if anything when we
find that out whether it's somebody close to the president somebody further
down whether it's something related to Russia or whether it's what in effect an
extraneous charge not to say it's not a legitimate charge but something like
fraud or money laundering what will that tell us about the Muller investigation
well a little phrase in the memo from rod Rosenstein arose or may arise from
the investigation I mean the reason you have that phraseology is if special
counsel finds evidence of a crime that's unrelated to his or her original
jurisdiction you don't ignore it but it's going to be really important
whether we're not this indictment involves fifteen year old business
transactions or 15 day old conversations with Russia so it's really
important what the charge is it's really important who the person being charged
is I one thing I don't get that excited about although I do see a lot of
reporting is somehow or another you're gonna be able to flip a witness and that
witness is gonna turn state's evidence on on on everyone else if you didn't
believe a witness yesterday chances are great you're not gonna believe that
witness tomorrow particularly if they're under indictment and have a reason to
curry favor with the government these investigations come down to documents
and evidence much more so than they do witness testimony so I would caution
your viewers don't get too excited that all of a sudden the government now has a
star witness that star witness you probably didn't believe well we could go
and you won't believe a week from now there have been growing calls from some
Republicans to end the Muller investigation some people say he's too
close to call me and the FBI and that he ought to resign some people say that
when the Muller budget for the Special Counsel investigation is presented
to Congress to review next month that they should cut off funding do you
support any effort to either curtail or end the Muller investigation I don't and
I readily concede I'm in an increasingly small group of Republicans I think Bob
Muller has a really distinguished career of service to our country
I know think any of your viewers can think of a single thing he did is the
FBI director that calls them to have a lack of confidence in him I think most
of your viewers have to be reminded that he actually was the FBI director or they
actually was a US Attorney because he's a pretty apolitical guy I see the
reporting I see the same thing you're making reference to that he and Comey
your friend I'm not really sure what the definition of that is I've gotten a lot
of co-workers it wouldn't stop me from investigating them or prosecuting them
so they're not family members they weren't business partners I would
encourage my Republican friends give the guy a chance to do his job the result
will be known by the facts by what he uncovers the personalities involved are
much less important to me than the underlying facts so I would I would say
give the guy a chance to do his job let's turn to the revelation this week
that it turns out that the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National
Committee paid for the opposition research that led to the writing the
formulation of this Russia dossier that has makes all kinds of accusations
against President Trump and his campaign what do you think is the significance of
that revelation well one of the areas of significance Chris is just how hard the
Democrats in Congress fault Republicans for trying to gain access to this
information if it were up to Adam Schiff and other Democrats who of course want
all the facts to come out they don't want all the facts of Russia to come out
except who financed the dossier so that's the most important thing to me is
how unserious the Democrats in the House have been about uncovering all the facts
I am interested in who paid for the dossier because that helps you
understand motive and intent whether or not you can rely on the document I am
much more interested in whether the Department of Justice and the FBI
relied upon that dossier in initiating a counterintelligence investigation or in
court filings that is really important to me I don't expect the DNC to be
objective almost by definition opposition research is not objective I
do expect an entity represented by a blindfolded woman to be objective and if
they relied on that dossier and they didn't corroborate it or vet it then we
have a serious issue and that's the next thing that house Intel is trying to find
out is whether or not the US government relied on yeah let me ask you about that
because your what the two points you're making and I agree these are two very
important questions did the FBI base its original investigation at least in part
of the dossier and when you talk about court representations that's the the
possibility that they use the dossier to convince a FISA Court to allow the FBI
to wiretap people in Trump world Trump associates do you have any evidence of
that I understand the investigation is just beginning
well actually the investigation not just beginning we've been trying for a long
time to get the Department of Justice to give us access to this information it
frankly took the Speaker of the House this week to tell the department that
we're not going away you know Chris people don't like it when
I say this but it's actually true it's sometimes hard to tell the difference
between the Obama Department of Justice and the current Department of Justice in
terms of transparency and their willingness to share information with
Congress this is a really simple request did you rely on the dossier and if so
did you vet it before you relied upon it you can answer that in 30 seconds but
it's taken three months for the Department of Justice and only recently
have they agreed to give us the information so the battle was not just
with House Democrats unfortunately it's also with the Department of Justice
they ain't access to the information we need to wrap up this investigation what
about the fact that the Clinton campaign and the DNC which paid 12 million
dollars to the law firm Perkins called that that paid for the opposition
research that led to the dossier that in the FEC
filings it simply says twelve million dollars to Perkins called the law firm
for legal work no mention of the fact that it was also paying for Oppo
research that went to Christopher steel of former British intelligence agency
agent that went to the to the Kremlin not the money to de Kremlin but his
investigation as I understand it that that willful misrepresentation of
campaign expenditures is a criminal offense well I'm not an election law
expert Chris but the good news is you don't have to be to understand the
absurdity of believing that you can launder all of your campaign money by
just hiring a law firm I mean imagine if you and I were running for Congress and
we just hired a law firm and said hey you go do all the oppo you go buy all
the television you go buy all the bumper stickers you go hire all the experts and
we're gonna launder all of this through a law firm I can't think of anything
that defeats the purpose of transparency laws more than that so I am interested
in that and I'm also interested in sharing some memory tricks with folks at
the DNC because no one can remember who paid ten million dollars to a law firm
to do Oppo research I find that stunning ten million dollars and no one can
remember who authorized it who approved it who said yeah this is a really good
idea so you got two issues a memory issue and then the lack of transparency
by laundering money through a law firm we're running out of time and I want to
ask you two more questions one is that you're also have begun an investigation
into the 2010 uranium 1 deal this was the deal under which 20% of America's
uranium reserves ended up going to a Russian government agency Hillary
Clinton responded this week to all of this talk about her I'd like to play the
clip of her the closer the investigation about real Russian ties between Trump
associates and real Russians the more they want to just throw mud on the wall
and I'm their favorite target me and you know President Obama we're the ones that
they always like to put into the crosshairs so secretary
Clinton and other Democrats are saying that you and the Republicans are just
trying to shift the conversation well Chris all the way back in 2010 Peter
King and Rawls saw Ileana oscillate until my colleagues on the house in
telemedicine a letter - Sophia's trying to better understand this transaction in
2015 the House Oversight Committee also wrote the Obama administration trying to
understand what Sophia's did whether or not they had all the information but but
Chris also keep in mind we've spent most of 2017 trying to better understand what
Russia did to this country in 2016 not to the Democrats not to the Republicans
but to this country so what we know is that Russia was not our friend in 2016
it's not that big of a leap to ask I wonder if they were our friends in 2010
that's not that big of a leap it wasn't Republicans who gave the reset button to
Russia it wasn't Republicans who said we'll
have more flexibility in a second term it was a Republican they Mitt Romney who
said Russia was our greatest threat and the Democrats laughed at him so yes I do
want to know if the same group that tried to sabotage our democracy in 2016
is buying uranium in 2010 yeah I want to know that okay two quick questions to
wrap this up on the one hand given the revelations about the fact that the DNC
and the Clinton campaign paid for this the Russia dossier in effect do we at
this moment have harder evidence of collusion between Clinton and the
Russians than we do about Trump and the Russians you know Chris they're there
five words that start with C collusion coordination conspiracy contact and
coincidence and and where this falls out in those five C's I don't know the word
collusion has a criminal connotation to it I think the premise of your question
is accurate for a long time we've heard about all the ties between the Trump
campaign and Russia from which there is no evidence and lo and behold despite
serious Democrat opposition we have uncovered that the DNC was working with
Russia and actors to try to besmirch Donald Trump's reputation so it's
certainly enter saying whether its collusion coincidence
coordination I don't know yet right and very briefly we do know that as you
point out the key is the Russians did interfere they did hack the DNC files
they did hack and put out information about John Podesta files don't we need
to get to the bottom of that too I've spent the better part of 2017 doing that
including interviewing three witnesses last week and I got a bunch more this
week yet Russia's not our friend WikiLeaks is not our friend Julian
Assange is not our friend they tried to attack the fundamentals of our democracy
and that's what I've spent 2017 focusing on that to me is an American issue
I wish the Democrats would help a little bit more instead of reading the Moscow
phonebook during the witness interviews trying to see whether Jared Kushner
knows a guy named Igor I wish they'd help but but that's been
my focus in 2017 is understanding that Russia tried to subvert our democracy of
and and it'd be great if my Democrat friends helped a little bit chairman
Gowdy thank you thanks for your time and we will follow all the investigations in
coming days sir yes sir thank you
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