You're ready?
[Committee Member] - Yup. Okay.
We'll call the Village of Ashwaubenon Public Works
and Protection Committee for
Tuesday, December 5, 2017 to order.
Roll call please.
[Committee Member] - Mark Williams.
[Mark] - Here.
Mike Malcheski.
[Mike] - Here.
Joann Euclide.
[Joann] - Here.
Ken Bukowski.
[Ken] - Here.
And Josh Kohnhorst.
[Josh] - Here.
It's customary to recite the Pledge.
[Group] - I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands
one nation, under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
Please review the agenda,
see if we have any changes.
If not I'll entertain a motion to approve.
[Committee Member] - Approve the agenda for tonight.
[Member] - Second.
Motion and a second, all in favor.
[Group] - Aye.
Motion carries.
Action on the minutes from the October 3, 2017 meeting.
[Member] - Move to approve.
[Member] - Second.
Motion and a second to approve.
All in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Motion carries.
Comments from the public.
Must be limited to items not on the agenda.
Please state your name and address.
You're limited to five minutes.
Boards are always to listen and not discuss the item.
Personnel issues cannot be discussed, nor individuals named.
Board is not able to take action at this meeting.
I'm seeing folks other than general public,
we can dispense of item six, action items seven A,
action to amend licensed premise description,
Los Tres Magueyes, Inc doing business as
Los Tres Magueyes.
[Ken] - Is that how you pronouce it, Magueyes?
Pardon me?
Is that how you pronounce it, Magueyes?
Los Tres Magueyes.
Magueyes, okay thank you.
Before you...
They're expanding at their Packerland location.
This is basically a housekeeping measure
to have their license reflect the additional
square footage to the facility.
Move to approve. [Committee Member] - Second.
Motion and a second to approve
the amended licensed premise description
for Los Tres Magueyes.
All in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
Action item seven B, action on class B beer license
for Marcus Cinemas of Wisconsin, LLC
doing business as Bay Park Cinema.
As noted in your package, or packet rather,
Bay Park Square is seeking a class B beer license
for their concession business.
A representative from Marcus
will be here for the board meeting,
he could not make it this evening.
So the ball is in your court.
If this is something that you deem
okay with.
They've had a few locations within the state of Wisconsin
that this is allowed, in other municipalities.
In fact, some of them actually have,
if you will, a bar inside their theaters.
So this is something new to our region, certainly.
What hours would they be able
to serve beer at a movie theater?
Well its a class B, so essentially
as long as, I don't know what the last viewing
of the last movie, through that time frame
I would imagine.
Is it only beer? Just beer.
No wine? No wine.
And no other alcohol. Nope.
What's our status on licenses, Pat?
There's no quota on this type of license.
Okay.
Well, I've gotta be honest with you.
There's two things...
These next to items to me are
certainly not identical, but they're similar.
Roughly similar.
And I thought about this one
when I read it today looking at the agenda
and I thought wow, man.
Beer in a movie theater.
In fact my wife and I were at the show this afternoon.
Good movie, Three Billboards, Frances McDormand,
very good movie.
Anyway.
But, we've had so many requests in the last year
Mike, since you've been on and Mark...
We've had so many requests for this type of thing.
And really we haven't,
Chief I'm kind of looking at you
to see if this statement is true,
we really haven't had any major issues with
beer for example at filling stations
and things of that nature have we?
I'm nervous about those things.
And rightly so.
Rightly so.
But I think we've been okay, haven't we?
Hopefully.
Yes we've not had any issues
with our convenience stores selling
which is off-sale.
But this is obviously a consumable good.
Right. I guess the one thing
I think, relating to the other item
that's on the agenda,
I think the one thing that I question
as a public safety director
is that there's no business plan submitted with this.
They're just simply asking for the license.
And the other agenda item
went out and did some research
or gave examples of how they go about this.
Whether how they, where's this
going to be located within their business.
What hours, maybe what type of movies.
We don't know how they do it in other places.
And then their identifying features, bars,
who's carding, and then is there gonna be
some kind of identifiable feature with their scanners
of having a bracelet program or something
to identify who's been identified
of age to have the alcohol.
This is a unique environment.
I know that things are changing.
But if they have examples of other entertainment venues
that have incorporated this,
I think the board would want to be educated in how
the business is conducted.
The first thing that came to my mind
when I read this request was
all the animated movies that are out today.
Kids, kids, kids.
And not that beer and children
can't exist together peacefully.
I have to be honest, that's the first thing
that came to my mind.
And I don't want to mess this up with
the following item on the agenda
but again, there's some similarity here.
I see the next item coming up as being different,
different in several important ways.
And on the other hand I see myself
being somewhat hypocritical if I say no to this one
and yes to the next one in some form or another.
So I'm just shooting off my mouth here,
I'm expressing the thoughts that I had
when I first saw this,
this item come on the agenda
and I was just kind of surprised
but the more I thought about it...
That's all I've gotten with this.
To the chief's point,
I only found out about,
by going online and googling it myself,
what's before you is all that was provided the Village.
Yeah, I saw they had one...
I think they had one other one in Wisconsin,
if I remember.
Oak Creek.
Oak Creek, okay.
That was already established.
Not that that makes any difference.
But, man I don't know.
Can anyone think of anything in the Village
that we've kind of set a standard on this?
In this kind of unique environment
where we've got a lot of kids around,
tough environment to enforce type of thing?
The art studio.
I would say alcohol is at every single restaurant in town
and whether you're a kid or an adult
its the same experience of either side.
It happens, traditionally the board,
just because you're new to the committee,
has generally turned down those
in terms of Targets and Walgreens
and some of those where they're more retail oriented.
This is probably yet another
class of establishment type of thing
but maybe just to touch maybe why they're asking,
we've pushed in the past for Marcus
to do something more like what they're doing
in the Milwaukee area and stuff
where its much more of a...
I guess you'd call it a date night experience
in terms of you have the dream loungers
and bigger screens and stuff like that
and that's where I think the beer is coming in
in terms of a lot of them have more of a dining experience
where I think our tradition here in our area is
when they've done something like that
its been more of a budget theater type thing
and this is not that
but maybe pushing towards that
where they have more food selections
and the beer is coming in, wine coming in,
and other municipalities that's what the trend is
in terms of the movie theater concept.
Okay, I think that's what I was just saying.
My contribution to this is
just the few folks that I've talked to
are just saying where do we draw the line
in terms of where can we go without having
alcohol around our kids.
So, that's my contribution to it.
As a young adult, I mean my view might be
a little bit different.
But when the families we're talking to
say I don't want to go to a movie
and have alcohol around my kid,
I go to movies because I can separate that.
That's something that I'm thinking about.
So that's my contribution to it.
On this issue here at the cinema,
the chief brings up a lot of good points I guess.
I would like to see us table this, I guess,
until we get some more information from them
as far as their serving security protocol,
the times that they're gonna be serving,
if they're gonna be serving at all shows
or if its gonna be eliminated to that.
Why don't you just make a motion to table
and I'll second.
Well if I may, Trustee Williams.
Yes?
If you want to provide me a list of questions
and I can provide that to the Vice President.
Well I was trying to do that.
Well no, you were talking about tabling.
That's a whole nother thing cause you have to
remove it from the table when we get to the village board.
Cause the gentleman, he's the vice president of Marcus,
he's going to be here to discuss all these things.
But I can garner that information and put it in the packet
so whatever you might have, all of your...
Okay I'll make a motion to table then.
Second.
We have a motion and a second to table
action item seven B, all in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
No, and my no vote is because tabling
according to Robert's Rules of Order
the way I understand it puts a permanent hold on it
and I think you're right Pat,
you have to reopen the table
in order to bring the item back up.
We would have to put the item in,
counselors, tell me I'm wrong,
Trustee Williams would have to be the one to pull that,
we'd have it on the agenda
but you'd have to pull it,
I don't know is that right?
I never deal with the table
in my other hat.
Alright and I was in the majority
so I'm gonna make a motion to reconsider the motion.
I'll make a different motion.
I'll make a motion to reconsider the motion we just made.
I'll second.
We have a motion and a second to reconsider, all in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Motion carries.
Alright, the motion to reconsider then
is so we can make a more definitive ...
Mark is right, but we can make a motion
to table it to a date certain.
And I'll tell you what, I don't want to see them
come up here in December,
I want this to come back to this committee in January.
That's what I'm looking for. Okay.
Because if he comes up here,
whoever he or she is, whoever it is,
comes up for a Village board meeting
I just don't think that's appropriate.
We still won't have
I think what Mark and the rest of us are looking for.
So I would make a motion in its place
to table until the next
Public Works and Protection Committee.
[Mike] - Table or delay to hold?
I don't think it makes any difference.
Either way.
[Mark] - Okay, so...
What do we have to do with the original motion?
[Mike] It's dead now.
Okay so we make a motion to withdraw the original motion?
No, cause you reconsidered.
Alright then I'll make a motion to
well I think the word table is appropriate.
We'll make a motion to table it until the next
Public Works and Protection Committee meeting
which is in January.
Do we have a second.
[Joann] - Second.
We have a motion an a second to table until the
January meeting, all in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Motion carries.
I'd like to make another motion then in this regard
that we ask the applicant here
to answer the following questions.
And Trustee Williams I'd like you to mention
some of the things you did mention before
I interrupted you.
Security protocol, serving times,
serving areas, if its all the shows that they are
going to be serving for or if they're gonna limit them.
Those are several of the questions that I had.
Would serving only be in one theater
or facility wide?
Chief is there any other concerns?
(mumbling)
I guess any kind of business protocols
that they use at their existing businesses.
Okay, add that one please.
Sure, cause they've gotta have that corporation wide.
[Ken] - Okay I'll make a motion to pose those questions
to the applicant prior to their next appearance.
[Mark] - I'll second it.
We have a motion and a second regarding
a list of questions for the applicant, all in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Motion carries.
[Pat] - Thank you.
If anybody has anything else make sure you let us know.
Yeah, any other questions come up and give them to Pat.
Are we gonna meet...
Is the meeting gonna be in the second in January.
[Joann] - Should be, unless its rescheduled.
That's the day after the first.
(laughter)
[Mike} - Oh Boy.
[Chief] - Every month Ken.
Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Just want to make sure, it's close to the holidays.
Alright, thank you.
Action item seven C, discussion on possible action
on ordinance 12-1-17 relating to
alcohol licensing distance requirements.
Well so now we're talking about...
I'd like to open the floor to hear from interested parties.
[Mike]- You don't have to.
Why?
[Mike] - Its an agenda they can speak up.
We have to open a floor don't we?
[Mike] - I don't think so. No?
Alright, if we don't have to that's fine.
I'll let the chair, if you say that.
It's his job that's why he's getting the big bucks.
That's for sure.
Mr. Wachewicz, enlighten us.
Okay, as indicated in the packet
basically there has been a requester inquiry
from the school district regarding
the potential for sale or consumption of alcoholic beverages
with respect to the Performing Art Center,
and as a result of such a requester inquiry
there are a number of issues that come up along with that.
One of the main ones is our local ordinance
that indicates that there cannot be a license
within 300 feet of any school,
or church or other sort of type of establishments.
That's one of the challenges,
our ordinance prohibits licenses being issued
with respect to that.
Our ordinance does differ from state law
and that state law specifically allows the Village board
to grant a waiver to that requirement.
So the proposed ordinance in front of you
essentially mirrors the language that is in the state law
which would give the Village board
the ability to waive that requirement if it so chooses.
And as also indicated there are some other challenges
that go along with this request.
One being that the school district
as a municipal entity cannot hold a liquor license
which is prohibited by the definitions of a
entity or political entity in Chapter 125.
So any license would have to be issued to a concessionaire
such as PMI or some other operating type of entity as well.
And then, I believe that the district
may have already addressed this in some shape or fashion
I'm not sure if they've actually passed a policy
but there's also another state law that requires
if there's gonna be any consumption
on school grounds that the district
have to modify their policies accordingly.
Those are just some of the considerations
that go along with this request.
As I believe I indicated there hasn't been
an application that's been submitted at this point
but these are some of the issues that come along with it
and we thought it would be a good time
to bring this forward to discussion
and consideration by the committee and board.
Could you repeat the second...
When you mentioned PMI, what was that?
I didn't catch all of that.
That would be, what would be
designated as a concessionaire
or an operating entity since
as a political subdivision the district
would not be able to hold the license
they'd have to get someone else
like an operating entity to
do that and submit the application.
What kind of, maybe this is getting too technical,
what kind of organization would it have to be?
Can it be a 501c3?
I don't think there's any restriction
in that regard that I recall off the top of my head,
I can look.
Well I'm gonna chime in here a little bit.
I did a lot of background for the PAC
and the referendums that went through
as Ken did as well.
I was on the school board for a lot of years
and I have a hard time with this.
I'm on the PAC Board of Directors currently,
and I still have a hard time with this.
I voted in the past to not allow
a liquor license at Cornerstone
because of the kids that are there and everything.
And now this is going on school grounds.
I will not support this at all.
Just so everybody knows.
No matter what.
Because of my past votes and my stances on different things.
I understand what they're trying to do.
I know that these guys are gonna be disappointed in me.
But that's the way it goes.
I have never supported it at Cornerstone,
which is five miles from the school.
And putting it in school grounds
is just against everything I've ever voted for and against
on this Board and on the School Board.
I just can't do it.
So, with that said, I'll let everybody else discuss it
but everybody knows my position right now
based on where I'm at.
It doesn't make a difference, you guys can discuss it.
But everybody will know that I will not support this at all.
I've been at performing arts centers
both on university campuses and at Manitowoc High School
being one of the closer ones.
There was no alcohol served there
and I didn't see that it was a detriment
to the patrons.
I'll amend one thing to that though.
I don't have a problem, cause I know that
Cornerstone does the picnic licenses and everything
for special events.
I don't have a problem with certain events, I guess.
But not a full time liquor license to serve there.
Well that's why I was going to suggest
from whoever wants to speak.
Jay, Brian, and Kate of course if they wanted to come up.
I think we need a little bit of clarification on
when this type of activity would occur.
I don't think its meant to occur at
all the events by any stretch of the imagination.
Its only for special, for lack of a better term, events
and for perspective users of the facility
who expect, because of their clientele
and people who will attend the event
would expect this kind of thing.
And just to add to your question,
or not your question but your comment, Mike,
I mean the PAC at the Weidner does.
I mean they serve hard liquor.
Admittedly, well its school grounds but
its the university so I think there's a difference there.
So they do do it there.
And other places in Oshkosh,
not this type of facility but in their community theaters
so I don't see it as a problem
but I also think we need to hear that
what this type of
license if that's what it is
if that's what the request comes down to in the end,
what it entails.
So I'd like to hear from
the operator of the facility, that's Kate,
and what she intends to do with this.
I think one of the goals that I'm looking for
is I don't, we don't need a license
that's 365 days of the year or anything like that.
And I don't know as if a picnic license
is the right way to go.
I'll throw out there, there are eleven events
between now through next summer that
would be interested in having beer and wine served at.
So, again I try to quantify how many we're talking about.
These would be public events,
these would never be student events.
Yes, there may be students attending.
The service would probably be provided by
like we said, a concessionaire of some sort
so that the alcohol would never be
stored within the PAC.
It would only be onsite for those specific events.
It would be removed at the end of the events.
Service of beer or wine would occur
one hour prior to show,
during an intermission, if there is one,
and there would not be service after the show.
So it would be about an hour and 20 minutes
total combined time that people could consume.
Beverages are not allowed in the theater itself.
So I guess if somebody wanted to come out
during a performance and stand in the lobby
and have another drink while the show is going on
they could but they can't bring it back to their seat.
So opportunity for consumption is rather limited.
But it would be...
Its difficult in that yes,
the PAC is part of...
Services our school district but its also
this community performing arts center.
Its an entertainment venue.
And there is an expectation of experience
that in many ways goes along with that.
It would be served in a very, like I said,
concise, short manner.
But there are some entities that are interested
in utilizing the facility that have backed away
because of the restriction on beer and wine.
Some are local organizations
that wanted to have holiday events,
concert, and then service within the lobby.
Other events are those who want to have an event
and then have tastings in the lobby,
whether its local sponsor
by one of our local breweries or the like.
So those have come up and caused some restrictions
are the end of the world?
No.
But it would be nice to not have an element
that prevents a larger event from occurring.
So, again, I don't know if a picnic license is possible,
I'm gonna look a little bit towards Allison
as far as if there's restrictions on how many
and that's a concern.
I'm happy to, we could parse it out event by event
just like when the school district voted on approval
similar policy of the superintendent of schools
has the ability to grant permission for alcohol
on school grounds for certain events.
That would be the same way
so I would submit the events that
we're looking at having alcohol for.
Dr. Hanes would need to approve those.
He can deny them at any time.
So there's a similar, or could be
a similar relationship going on with the Village here.
With respect to the limits on the picnic licenses
there are no limits for a picnic license for beer.
With respect to wine there is a limit
of two times per year.
Thank you.
But having said what you said, Kate,
give you a little breather.
The proposed language in the ordinance says,
its the same ordinance but it would add this phrase,
'except that this prohibition may be waived
'by a majority vote of the Village board'.
And you and I talked about this earlier today
and one of the things you mentioned to me is that
if you're going to have an event,
let's say in April,
or no let's just take the number 11, or even five,
whatever it turns out to be.
I don't want to see the village board
having to make five, six, seven, eleven separate votes.
Yes, no, yes, no.
You need to know as a manager of that facility,
you need to know,
and your patrons need to know ahead of time.
A lot of planning, I suspect, is six months out, or better.
So for you or whoever is managing the facility
to come into the village board every time
that this need arises,
I just don't think that's feasible.
[Mark] - I was going to say, Ken,
we don't get every picnic... What's that?
We don't get...
[Committee Member] - For a picnic its the
office of the park treasurer that assigns out (mumbles)
Okay I'm just explaining the add
to the ordinance here if there was to be
a request for a Class B liquor license,
then we'd have to do it. Yes.
So, Mark I understand where you're coming from.
I get...
One of the things that someone said,
maybe this is a big difference for me
when I think about the previous issue here.
And that is what struck me is
parents walking into an animated
Walt Disney movie with a beer in their hand
and sitting down to watch the movie.
That's not what, the way you explain it,
that's not what would happen here.
That can't be allowed into the facility.
I'm not sure that's a distinction without a difference,
I'm not sure.
It makes a difference to me in my mind.
I'd have to think about this a little more
but frankly, when I read the movie one
that's the first thing that came in my mind.
Wow, people are gonna come in, buy a beer,
go watch an animated movie with their kids,
which is great, that's good stuff,
with a beer in their hand.
I guess that maybe, that imagine gave me
some cause to pause.
This one, on the other hand,
I don't know where we go with it
because if we can use the picnic license...
Here's the difference Ken is that
this is a public facility supported by
public tax dollars.
We have control over that.
Where you've got a business that's running
off school grounds that has
more than just kids at it, typically.
So I mean its not the same thing.
Just like with Cornerstone.
I mean, Cornerstone is majority kids
and its a public facility owned by the village.
So they're not owned by the same people, either.
So it's like, I don't know what you want
to do with it right now, it's up to you
but that's the difference in that.
How far in advance can a picnic license be requested.
[Pat] - I believe 15 days. How much?
I need at least 15 days.
At least 15 days, you could do it...
It's on the application...
Well could you do it six months ahead of time?
You don't recall exactly the language?
Okay...
You can do it well in advance, just to clarify, Ken.
The ordinance we're suggesting needing changing
is only if she wants a regular license
because she would want beer and wine
for a multitude of events or she's looking for...
[Mark] - Here's what I would suggest...
But if its a picnic license it never comes
to the board at all if its granted to the village
we can issue it ourselves.
[Ken] - I understand that.
I would like to see her try a picnic license
and try it a couple times
if the school district allows it, okay?
Before you, and get some history with it
before we try to reinvent the will here.
I think that's a great idea, I like that.
The reason I was going where I was going with it,
I didn't want to be a hypocrite
and say yes to this or no to this but say
come in every time for a picnic license.
To me that's hypocritical.
Either you get a license or you don't.
But I understand you're not applying for a license,
there is no application.
But I don't want to be a hypocrite and say
no license but come in for a picnic license,
we'll give you ten or eleven of them.
I didn't want to do that.
But I think Mark he has a good one.
Let's give it a shot, see what happens,
and I do think...
I had a call from a former teacher, very nice lady,
very generous lady, their family is generous,
both of them are very generous.
They contribute to a lot of
very good things in this village.
And she made the point of,
which has been made several times,
of children, and on the school.
But I also think that in a controlled atmosphere here,
and any place you go, and Ellis had mentioned this before,
you go to restaurants or any place else in this community,
you're going to see beer and wine.
So, or more.
It doesn't bother me, frankly, to have children...
To me a school...
And I'm not even sure this is really a school property,
but let's assume it is for purposes of this discussion.
Doesn't bother me all that much
because its so available in the community.
That part of it doesn't bother me
but I like Mark's idea a lot.
So what do we do?
Could I just ask, is a picnic license,
is that beer only or is that beer and wine?
They're separate.
There is beer and then there's wine
so there are two separate picnic licenses.
Okay, got it, thank you.
But you know you're doing the wine twice here.
That's correct.
(mumbles)
Got it.
Oh, okay, Oh, Oh.
I didn't know that.
Okay.
Do you have any idea of how much lost revenue
might occur without having access to alcohol.
At this point its hard to say
although I talked a little bit with Ken about that.
There's a couple of local organizations
who wanted to have holiday parties
and holiday events who backed away.
There have been three total, so far.
So that's a $1500 rental fee each.
But you know I...
Is there security, Pat, that has to be
supplied and all that other kind of stuff?
Does it stipulate that in there?
Well typically the ones we always have
are church picnics and there's,
correct me if I'm wrong
but there's definitely an officer on campus.
According to the application,
the public safety director has discretion
as far as applying security at the events.
Obviously through time with the nativity events
we have not had issues
and that's why we've recently reserved
not having public safety officers there.
So to get back to Mark's point
if organization A wants to host
whatever it is they want to host,
they want to have beer and wine,
they would be the ones that come in for the license,
or the picnic license, okay.
Alright I didn't, that went over my head I guess.
Well I think that, well,
depends who wants to make the money, I guess.
Well yeah...
If PAC wants to make the money, Kate's gotta do it.
Right, I think the case would be,
if the Chamber of Commerce or somebody
rents the building and its a private party
then they could apply for the picnic license
and we wouldn't be getting a cut of revenues anyway
they'd probably be serving alcohol
as part of a dinner or something like that.
But yes, for a show that the PAC is presenting,
we would be applying for the license.
I would recommend the school district
check with the recs too about
fees that are charged and everything
because of different issues that we've had
with the community center already.
They've been reported back to us and everything of,
we've increased our security deposits
because of things that have happened on events like that
that we're trying to recoup or make sure
we get our monies back on.
Because there has been damage done and everything
if its not always done just by our people.
So, just keep that in mind.
[Kate] - Do you mean alcohol service?
No, I mean they rent the community center,
or like you said they have an event and stuff
and they don't clean up and stuff like that
and there's just a lot of work, it sounds like,
by our staff and I don't want to see
the school district or village staff
have to pay for this clean up
because of the additional mess it creates.
[Kate] - Sure.
We've had several bad instances,
not bad but not good instances at the community center
where that's happened so Mark is right.
Do they sell alcohol at the community center?
[Ken] - No. Okay.
No, they haven't yet.
[Mark] - That's why I say, check with Recs.
[Kate] - Yeah I'm happy to.
But I think people bring it in.
But they don't sell it.
Okay so what should we do with this?
Just a suggestion, to me,
I know you don't like this Mr. Chairman
but I move to just table this issue,
let's try it, see what happens...
[Mark] - (mumbles)
I'm sorry?
It can always be brought back.
Yeah it can always be reopened if we need to.
I think the idea of the picnic license
is probably viable.
We'd also, I think, we'd also like to see
some sort of business plan, if you will.
How it would be handled and all of that sort of stuff.
It doesn't need to be 300 pages
but two or three pages of operational manual, maybe,
if you want to call it that.
Yeah, we can expand upon...
We already have an alcohol policy in place
that we created for the school board for this discussion.
Its about two pages.
And we can add to that when we determine...
We haven't gone any further in contracting
with the PMI or the like to handle the service
but that would add to that same document
of how things specifically would be handled
but we already talked about never handing out
cans or bottles everything would have to be poured
into a glass, you know, plastic container.
Nobody's getting a whole container of anything.
As I mentioned, empties, all of those things
would be removed from the site the same day
so there would never be anything left over.
So there's...
[Ken] - Is that all written down already?
It is, yeah.
That would be nice to provide that.
I'd be happy to share that with you.
Alright I make a motion on the basis of this discussion
to table this item.
[Joann] - Second.
We have a motion and a second to table
until further discussion is available.
Hang on, we're unresolved at this table about...
A couple questions in terms of the number...
I think it needs to be discussed by the village board
and in a full discussion and then a date certain
of when it comes back here.
I think there is some hesitancy over all
in terms of the village board would have no oversight.
She could go and apply tomorrow, for example,
and get it from Pat I guess,
we're sensing some mixed feelings on the issue
and before that just cart blanche can move forward,
that may be some of the things you were just discussing
in terms of business plans and all that kind of stuff
maybe you'd want to see that before we say...
If its table its potentially not discussed again and then...
[Ken]- Well we can bring it off the table.
[Mark] - What are we, Ken, what are we...
Can you just recommend that they perceive....
[Mark] - Refer this to village board with the...
The picnic license.
With the school board policy and...
[Ken]- And a policy that Kate mentioned?
Right.
This is kind of a mixed bag here in terms of
if its a school district and village.
The village technically owns the building,
you have insurance, we have more like
property insurance type of things.
It's a mixed bag overall.
Alright, I don't agree, I don't agree but,
having said that to be...
I complained a lot about
our feds and state people not compromising,
I'm certainly willing to compromise in this sense.
I'll withdraw my motion if the second agrees.
[Joann] - I agree.
Alright then if I hear you right, Mark,
a motion to take this matter to the village board
with the appropriate policies in place
one by the school district and...
I don't know if yours is the same or...
[Kate] - It's the same.
Okay, the policy that's in place.
And explain to them where,
what we think is a good way to go.
I'm alright with that.
I'll second that myself.
We have a motion and a second to
send this item to the village board at the end of the month
with the individual documents discussed.
[Ken]- Right before the Christmas party.
Yeah.
All in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Opposed?
Motion carries.
[Ken] - Did that come from Gary?
(mumbles)
That completes our action item agenda.
Any items for the next agenda?
Get ahold of...
[Ken] - Well we'll put on that second item,
the Marcus theater one will be on the agenda for next month?
Yeah. Okay.
[Pat] - Yes January.
[Ken] - Yeah, yeah, great.
And if you have anymore questions
shoot them to me and I'll send them to Milwaukee.
Okay, okay.
Any other comments?
Needs, wants?
[Mark] - Make a motion to adjourn.
[Ken] - Second.
Motion and second to adjourn.
All in favor?
[Group] - Aye.
Please stand adjourned.
[Ken] - I just think this committee did a nice job...
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