[upbeat music]
I'm Moniquin Huggins with the Office of Child Care
and I have the distinct pleasure this morning
to introduce our key note speaker.
And when I found out that I would be introducing Dr. Li,
I of course, like all good
people who are introducing people,
I wanted to find out and learn more about Dr. Li.
And so this weekend I spent some time
looking at some clips on YouTube.
And we all grew up with Mr. Rogers,
so I knew about Mr. Rogers,
but I wanted to find out a little bit more about
our subject or his subject matter this morning,
Appreciating the Deep and Simple
in Early Childhood Education.
And as I watched the clip,
I started to have flashbacks.
32 years ago, my oldest daughter,
her first child care provider.
And I remember, when we went to interview her
or meet her and her husband,
it was such a special moment.
They were all ready, prepared to meet us
and we thought, wow,
you know, to greet us into their home.
And my daughter was about three months old
and the connection that the provider had with my daughter
was just amazing.
We talk about, it's been 32 years,
and we talk about Mrs. and Mr. Scott to this day.
And how much they supported us,
how much they provided my daughter,
how much connection she had with them,
how much they were so intentionally working, you know,
caring for her.
And at the time I really didn't know
how to characterize that.
I didn't know it was building a relationship or connection,
but I knew it felt good.
And we felt safe.
And we felt we could go off to work
and we could leave her in good hands,
and when we came back she would be happy.
They would tell us about her day.
But there was one day in particular
that has stuck with me through the years.
I came to pick her up one day and she said,
her caregiver Mrs. Scott said to me,
"I bought Leah a new shirt today."
And I thought, oh okay,
you know, I'm thinking she bought Leah a new shirt.
But what she really was saying
that she had bought her a shirt,
because she knew Leah liked buttons
and she liked colors and she like flaps.
And so she had bought her a new shirt,
so when she held Leah, Leah could play with the buttons
and feel the pockets full of,
Leah liked to take things in and out of pockets
and so she'd make sure she had things Leah could put in,
she could take out.
And to me that was the relationship building.
She knew Leah was a curious baby,
she knew that she liked colors.
And so, that has just stuck with me over the years.
It was the relationship that started Leah on her way.
She's always been a happy baby, a happy child.
And to this day, 32 years later, she's very happy.
So I know it was the connection
and it was the relationship.
And again, I think as parents,
that's what we're looking for.
As administrators, that's what we're looking for
in providers.
But sometimes providers can get misled.
They wanna please us and so they think it's instructions,
it's flashcards.
I remember the days of working
with the Department of Defense
and training providers,
and going out to providers homes.
And they would have flashcards and things of that nature.
And so it too us some time to work with the providers.
And it was the simple things in life
of sorting socks, and you know,
including the children in sorting socks,
and that's how they learned their colors.
And you know, knowing little, specific things
about each child and making them feel good about themselves.
And I think nurturing them.
And once you nurture them, they're ready.
They're ready to go in the world.
You can see their confidence
in their little strides that they take from the beginning.
So, I was just so pleased
to be able to introduce Dr. Li this morning.
And my husband and I, we had, you know,
like, some sentimental moments this weekend,
and it just brought back to us how fortunate we were.
And we would want that for other parents.
And really Mrs. Scott just raised the bar for us.
When we left Colorado and went on our way,
we knew what we were looking for,
and it was the relationship.
So, without gong any further,
I wanna tell you a little bit about Dr. Li.
He holds the Saul Zaentz Senior Lectureship
in Early Childhood Education
at Harvard Graduate School of Education.
For the past five years,
he also directed the Fred Rogers Center for Early Learning
and Children's Media in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Influenced by the work of Fred Rogers,
of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood,
Dr. Li looks for and communicates
what is deep and simple,
and matters most in service of children and their families.
He has had the opportunity to learn from children's helpers,
across diverse and low resource developmental settings.
Including orphanages, child care,
classrooms and community youth programs.
He believes that real and lasting change
start with finding what ordinary people
do extraordinarily well with children in everyday moments.
So, I'd like for you to join me
in welcoming Dr. Li to the podium.
(audience applauds)
- Thank you so much. - Thank you.
- That's a good story from Mrs. Scott.
- Thank you.
- Good morning.
- [Audience] Good morning.
- I'm really glad to be here.
And I'm here to represent,
kind of the work of three different strands.
I don't know if we can have the slides up?
So, for a few weeks I still get to be the spokesperson
for Fred's work.
And there's our Fred Rogers Center
which Fred founded in 2001,
apart from the television production non-profit,
in ways to kind of continue the work outside television.
For some of you, you may know,
whether or not you grew up with Mr. Rogers,
this year is a particular milestone.
So, Fred was born 90 years ago,
but the very first episode
of Mr. Rogers neighborhood aired 50 years ago.
So, I think in
theaters now there is the movie
Won't You be My Neighbor.
And the director and producers of next years film,
staring Tom Hanks playing Mr. Rogers,
has already visited the center
and went to Fred's home to
kind of have an understanding
of how Fred's life began.
Part of what I do now,
is I join the Saul Zaentz Early Education initiative,
at Harvard, to also think about
how do we,
in particular, groom adult capacities
in the Early Childhood System.
And lastly, and I'll talk about this in a little bit,
I'll be speaking about the work of this loose coalition
of professionals, who for the last maybe decade or so
across several countries and states,
were trying to figure out how do we understand
and promote the very simple,
kind of human interactions that we have.
I did wanna say that when Shannon invited me
just a little over a month ago to be here,
I was actually really nervous to be here.
So, I'm not at all a policy and system kind of a person,
I was trained as a child development researcher.
And one thing I loved about Mr. Rogers' work
and the principle by which we guided ourselves,
is his idea that deep and simple is far more essential
than shallow and complex.
And every time I sit at a policy arena
it's really hard for me to understand the deep and simple.
'Cause policies and systems are inherently complex,
they're not necessarily shallow,
but they are definitely complex.
And I often, like in my home state, when we work
with the Office of Child Development, Early Learning,
for years I remember going to meetings there
and I'd just have to focus so hard
just to decipher the acronyms that comes out,
like, multiple acronym per sentence.
And,
it's something that most of you are familiar with,
but often, I feel myself as kind of an imposter
at a policy, kind of a system level.
And the other part is that,
so, most our work takes place in actual neighborhoods,
right so, in line, kind of, with the concept
of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Fred always advised us, that whenever you find a problem
that's difficult to solve or seems overwhelming,
one of the best ways to go about it
is to look for the helpers.
So, much of our work goes into neighborhoods
and a lot of times involves us,
you know, sitting and crawling around
on floors in child care centers,
to actually look for the helpers and look at what they do.
And when we work with the helpers across different settings,
one of the things that invariable comes up
at the end of working with the helpers
is that at the end of the workshops,
and sessions, and projects,
the helpers would always say something like,
you know, this has been great,
you know, we're glad to do this,
but you know who you should do it with,
you should do it with they, right.
Like all the helper groups have, like, a they in their mind.
So for the frontline teachers,
the they may be the center directors,
or for teachers it can be principals.
And then if we actually work with center directors
and they would do the same thing.
At the very end they would go,
"you know who needs to here it?
"They need to hear it."
And then, it seemed like everyone in the system
have a they, right.
And when I was understanding the conference call,
kind of what this conference is about,
I have a feeling that this was actually
the they conference.
(audience laughing and applauding)
Short of, kind of, governor's office,
and legislators and congress, right,
like, those of us who are seated here,
we are the they to this whole system,
whole chain of theys.
And this morning I was hoping to sneak in
and just sit in the back,
but I was kindly guided to sit with the Office of Child Care
and I realized I'm at the they table at the they conference.
(audience laughs loudly)
And it's always very comfortable, right,
it's always safer to stand outside the room
and say well, they need to hear it.
It's much harder to be part of they,
because I think, at some point, being a they
means that the buck stops with you.
There is someone somewhere who may have more power than you,
but compared to the families and the child care providers
and the teachers that we serve,
the power that we have in this room,
to impact how they work and impact how they serve,
is infinitely greater than what they have.
Shannon said earlier, I think in your concluding remarks,
you said, you know, "part of policy
"is about who's sitting at the table and who's not."
And so I felt, in coming here, I felt the responsibility
to fulfill kind of the request
that every time we go out to work
in neighborhoods people have,
which is you know, to talk to they,
except that so many of us sitting in the room
actually came from being a teacher, being a site director,
being a coach to the site directors as well.
As much as we have our own theys to report to,
I just want to acknowledge that we are stuck being they
for the Early Childhood System for the United States.
So, when I'm nervous I always think about,
kind of, what is it that we have in common.
That's something, just another lesson,
from Mr. Rogers who always felt so strongly
that the kind of things that makes us different,
tend to be superficial and each one us are much alike
with one another, with our neighbors
than we're different.
So I was trying to think about what
all of us may have in common,
even though we come from different states,
we have different roles.
And I think it has something to do with,
that our work often takes place
in the space
between low resource and striving for high quality.
And these two spaces often don't seems like they meet.
That what we often, the need we're trying to meet, right,
are often in places that have very little resources,
with providers that have very little resources,
with families that have very little resources.
And the resources we're given
often are insufficient to meet the needs.
But the same time, we're committed, and we're pushed,
and we're held accountable for high quality.
And high quality necessarily often takes
investment in resources.
So one of the things I imagine
that many of us have in common,
is that that space in between
is where we work.
And as I thought about the conference,
these kind of,
two contrasting visuals that keeps coming to my head,
I'm just going to use Washington, D.C. as an example
when we think about resource and quality.
So, the D.C. area, just like every state,
has its quality rating systems, right.
And the quality rating systems
in documents and in theory is this upward mobile system.
Quality goes higher and higher,
and our whole system wants to encourage providers
to go higher and higher in quality.
So that it's this upward moving trajectory.
Right here also in D.C.,
last year there's a cost modeling report
that came out from the Superintendent's Office,
working with Opportunities Exchange,
Louise Stoney, and I think, Libbie Poppick.
And it's a curve of the opposite picture.
And so lemme just explain this chart a little bit
in the report.
I think what it means is that,
as a provider
tries to go higher and higher and higher in quality,
their bottom line goes deeper and deeper and deeper in red,
with the exception of when they can afford
and have the capacity of having public pre-k funding, right.
So if you compare these two diagrams,
one is in theory, this upward mobile ladder
about quality rating,
and the other is the reality in which we live.
Where there are insufficient resources for providers,
even medium to large providers,
to meet a bottom line and still be able
to reach the provider.
And report after report
about the finances of early childhood,
point to this dilemma and go, well,
if a child care provider is a business,
why does it make sense for the business
to try to go up in quality
and go deeper and deeper in red?
It is not how any business functions.
And this isn't just an issue with the D.C. area.
In every state cost modeling report
that I have seen, particularly again done
by the group Opportunities Exchange,
you see this similar kind of a curve.
And small providers, like home care providers and so on,
particularly struggle in these curves.
If you really try to live up to quality
as they're defined now,
and given the current rate of reimbursement,
then your bottom line suffers the higher you go in quality.
And these are the challenges and dilemmas I think we have
in terms of trying to serve those who have low resources,
who are trying to serve communities and families
with low resources and meanwhile are being held accountable
to reach a higher quality which they couldn't afford.
And that is what makes that space in between
so difficult to navigate in Early Childhood Systems.
So, I have been thinking about,
just over the last month,
what is it that we have to add,
because we ourselves are just barely trying to understand
how these systems work.
Our work, for the last ten years or so,
has been trying to find kind of the unicorn.
What we have been trying to do,
is trying to find high quality practices
in low resource settings.
We're looking not at the gap between these two circles,
but we're trying to find how do you get
these two circles to intersect.
What is possible in low resource settings,
that nevertheless, manage to provide high quality care?
Not just for early childhood, but for public schools
and for out-of-school-time programing.
And this was this loosely kind of collected together work
that we called Simple Interactions.
My colleagues and I have worked in a number of countries
and have either worked or taken the message on the road
to a number of states here.
And I'm just the spokesperson for a much,
a small but nimble team
that has been continually doing that.
But what I'd like to do today is to just bring,
not research studies, but bring three stories
from the field, from these intersections
of low resource and high quality,
and to just share with you some of our thinking.
and some of our reflections and conversations in the field
about what that means.
So, the kind of places that we have gone to
included orphanages in China,
little home care providers in low income neighborhoods,
Head Start classrooms,
public schools in high poverty districts,
on the street corners in the communities,
in this case the crossing guards in the community.
This past summer we went to California
and worked with summer and out-of-school-time programs
for children of migrant farm workers.
And school for the deaf,
and hospitals in which they're trying to care for children
while they're undergoing medical care,
and child welfare in residential group care facilities.
I just wanna give you a sense of the kind of places
we go to look for high quality practices,
even though they have challenges.
One of our first efforts in early childhood took place
in an urban neighborhood,
in several urban neighborhoods, in Pittsburgh.
And these urban neighborhoods
they have a lot of pride, a lot of history,
but also a lot of challenges that you can see,
kind of shuttered buildings,
as well as, aging public housing
and projects and so on.
And what we did is we started off
with the least resourced providers in these communities,
the family child care providers.
And what we often do,
it's not research,
so what we try to do is we try to go into these settings,
we turn our cameras on
and we try to capture, kind of, stories of everyday practice
that actually happens.
And then we take these stories on video
back to the providers who actually work there,
so that they have a chance to learn from their own stories.
And then, we take these stories to occasions like this.
So, the first story I wanted to share with you,
so this was a very small family child care provider.
It's been in business for about 18 years
in the same community, in the same spot.
And, on this day we arrived early in the morning.
We watched the children going through crafts and snacks,
you know, there's only about five children in the house.
And then, as we were packing up the camera equipment
and getting ready to leave,
I noticed that there was this one child,
she was about a little over two at the time,
and she was a happy child, I think, mid morning,
but by the time snack time came
she started to look more and more anxious.
And then later on, at lunch time,
she started to get very anxious and teary eyed.
What I didn't know at the time,
but I find out later was that
this was her third day in child care,
she has never been in child care.
She was cared for by grandma
when her mother works the night shift.
But then, her mother gets a day shift
and the grandma was sick,
so all of a sudden she has nowhere to go
that they can afford
and they went to this particular family child care center.
So anyhow, she has never been in family child care
and as it gets closer and closer to nap time,
you can imagine she gets more and more anxious
'cause she's not with the grown ups
that she's familiar with.
And, this was her third day,
so you can imagine by this time
she and the family care provider hasn't had a lot of time
to know each other yet.
Actually it reminds me of Mrs. Scott
that you were just talking about.
So anyway, I just wanted to show you.
I decided to sit down by the door,
just keep the camera rolling,
'cause I wanted to see what happens,
'cause all the other four kids are off to nap
and she's getting just on the verge of, kind of,
start bawling.
(lighthearted piano music)
- [Miss DeVore] That son is cycling and it's cold out there.
- Mommy, mommy.
- [Miss DeVore] Your mommy's at work.
- Mommy. - Yeah come on,
come on and sit down with me,
let's look through the mail, come on, come on.
See that book, Harriet Clauder,
Fresh Finds, I never got that one before.
(audience laughs)
I don't know if I wanna look in that one
because they might get me.
Publisher Clearing House,
they're always telling you want something.
And that's worth a four, rush processed four.
Huh, let's open that and see what that is.
(paper crinkling)
It tells you, it says, fold along perforation and remove.
Let's see.
(paper tearing)
Would you hold that for me?
Thank you.
(paper tearing)
Hold that one for me too, thank you.
What'd you think is inside here?
You know what's inside here?
I know I don't.
(sighs heavily)
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(TV playing in background)
(audience laughs)
Alright.
(papers crinkling)
(rocking chair creaking)
(lighthearted piano music)
♪ Let's think of something to do while we're waiting ♪
♪ While we're waiting for something new to do ♪
(audience applauds)
- Thank you, so.
So, within a few days, alright,
so what we typically do is the...
'cause you know how family child care providers
usually don't have a lot of opportunities
to get together.
So with our partners in the community,
the family child care providers have been getting together.
So when they get together we would play these videos,
so that they get to see
what's happening in each other's homes.
And Miss DeVore, you can see her right here, right.
So, she had no idea, I mean, 'cause we there for two hours,
she has no idea which video we were gonna show.
And she had no idea that we would pick
that particular one.
So she starts telling stories about,
kind of, over the years, right,
what she has done for children who felt really anxious.
And then each of the providers
start to have stories of their own, right.
They start to share their stories
about what they used to have parents bring a picture,
and they let the child hold the picture
while they were going to bed.
I mean, every provider has their own stories
about how they have dealt situations like that.
And of course, everyone wanted to know,
how's that little girl doing, right,
'cause that was just the second week.
And Miss DeVore said, "oh she's fine."
Like she's just--
- [Miss DeVore] She has credit card.
(laughing)
- She has a credit card, yes.
(audience laughing)
'Cause part of the concern you can imagine people say,
well yeah, family child care providers can do that
I can't afford to do that,
if I have to do that for every single one of my children,
you know, how do we do it?
And Miss DeVore said, you know, "usually, right,
"all it just takes is some time in the beginning
"and children eventually learn to build the trust,
"then they find safety in these places."
And so I said, "Oh, can I come back with you,
"like tomorrow, I wanted to see kind of,
"how's little Taj doing?"
So I just wanna show you,
just a glimpse of what Taj was doing
just the following week.
- [Miss DeVore] Now she's to the point
where once she's done with lunch,
she gets wiped off and she runs and gets on her bed.
It was such a natural thing to me to do what I did.
I didn't even realize what I was doing really,
I just thought I was comforting her,
you know, making her feel safe and secure here and.
- [Woman] That's marvelous.
- So I'm glad you liked it,
because Miss DeVore was one of those who said,
"you know who needs to hear this?"
(audience and Junlei laugh)
I'm glad she's here.
So, now I'm not gonna assume that everyone
looks at that video would have the same reactions.
Overall of course this was a lovely moment,
but I've worked with assessors,
and health and safety certifications.
I've heard people point out
there are things that could be improved.
For example, when she was rocking the child,
I don't know if you, like there's a fish tank nearby,
right, so there's fish food at a level, right,
at where children can reach.
And technically it's not
developmentally appropriate reading material, I suppose.
(audience laughs loudly)
But I think just for that moment it works.
Right so, what Miss DeVore said, 'cause you know,
the only time she can go get her mail
was when the kids were down.
So she ran out to get her mail,
she came back, she opens the door,
and there is Taj getting ready to cry
and she doesn't have time to go find a book.
And I'm not sure if the book is the right thing anyway.
So she picked her up as quickly as she can,
and she said, "I just had to do with the junk mail
what I could at the time."
And she took 45 minutes,
I mean, we had to truncate that video
'cause by the time Taj went to bed,
I couldn't get off the floor
'cause you sit for so long, right.
And I was trying to lay completely still.
And you notice, like Taj pays no attention
to this stranger on the floor,
'cause she's completely absorbed by Miss DeVore,
who's a stranger to her as well.
And I think the one thing that she gets right,
the one thing that Miss DeVore gets right,
is one of the most important ideas
in child development, human development,
particularly in serving children
who come from low resource settings
who experience obstacles.
And it's this idea that every child, or every person,
needs at least one person with them,
that they can trust, that they can find safety in, right.
At least one person that'll put down other things
to attend to their needs when they're really needed.
And the idea comes from, kind of,
decades of research about resilience.
So the Harvard Center on the Developing Child,
who really has kind of over the last decade,
have provided scientific support
for the early childhood movement.
Two years ago they did a summary
of decades of research on resilience,
which is essentially your ability to bounce back,
despite the adversity you experience early in life.
And their conclusion was that the single,
most common finding, is that children who end up doing well
have had at least one stable and committed relationship
with a supportive parent, caregiver or other adult.
And for that moment on that day,
Miss DeVore was beginning to be the at least one.
And for that moment little Taj didn't have anyone
who can care for her,
so she gravitates towards the at least one.
That's a heart-warming moment and story,
and moments and stories like that
happens in these neighborhoods
as we worked there for three years.
That almost every single, not almost,
every single day we go into any one of the providers
and we see moments like that.
But the story is more complex than that.
On the day when we were filming that,
Miss DeVore's
child care center has a quality rating.
So in our state I think we have a four or five star system,
and Miss DeVore's family child care is one star.
So that's the bottom of that system.
And most of you are familiar with the system,
or at least the physical embodiment of the system,
looks kinda like this.
Most people who laugh has a bookshelf
that looks like this, right.
And most child care centers, you know,
right behind the director's table is a table look like this.
So, one of the things I think
I didn't understand at the time,
was that why is it that these well intentioned,
well researched binders, couldn't quite give credit
to what Miss DeVore is able to do,
as well as, child care providers like that?
And it made me think back, again, to what
the research on early childhood development was telling us.
So when the Center on the Developing Child at Harvard
first started, their very first paper,
their very first policy white paper,
was titled Young Children Developing
an Environment of Relationships.
And Shannon you mentioned early quite a bit,
and Moniquin too, about the importance
of connections and relationships.
But the conclusion there was quite simple, right.
Whether you look at brain science,
or whether you look at social science,
or whether you look at medicine,
that relationships, human relationships
are the active ingredients of the environments influence
on healthy human development.
And I remember reading that about ten years ago,
I thought yeah of course, right,
because I was becoming a parent,
and of course relationships are important.
But it was really struggling to understand
the difference between what Miss DeVore is doing
and what these binders are giving her credit for,
is that I go back and I start to hone in
on the word, active ingredient.
'Cause I used to just think active ingredient means
it's an important ingredient
and nobody's gonna disagree with that.
But why say active ingredient?
And the closest way I've come to understand it is,
so I think of my children as toothpaste
which I used to read,
because I have to supervise them brushing their teeth
and there's nothing to do,
so I read the back of the toothpaste,
(audience laughing)
not interacting with my children.
So, I strongly you recommend you do that
when you go back to your hotel.
It will be better if you have the full packaging.
But in the back of the toothpaste,
there are boxes like this.
And there's always a box that says active ingredient
and it's some form of fluoride,
'cause fluoride is the only thing
that actually prevents cavity.
And then, especially I you have the box,
it'll have this big box of lots
of inactive ingredients, right.
And the way it works in a toothpaste
is that all these inactive ingredients they're not useful.
They have to be there like the baking soda and so on.
But they don't prevent cavity.
The inactive ingredients are useful
if, and only if, the active ingredient is there,
and if, and only if, the inactive ingredients
can support delivering the active ingredient.
So, the example that I always think
of is my children used to want the bubblegum flavor,
'cause the mint was just a little too spicy for them.
So, pretty obvious, right.
So bubblegum flavor does not protect your teeth.
But, what bubblegum flavor does though,
is that it
helps children to hold it
in there mouth for two minutes.
And for those two minutes the fluoride gets to work.
So the relationship between bubblegum flavor and fluoride,
is that the bubblegum flavor matters,
if, and only if, it helps the fluoride.
If you take the fluoride out,
you can put whatever flavor in there,
it doesn't make any difference at all.
So, the question then for us became,
if our work in child development
is like a tube of toothpaste,
how would we label it?
What do we label for the active ingredient
and what would be the longer list of inactive ingredients?
And it is as clear in science, as it is in our common sense,
lived experiences, at home, in child care,
as it is
in just
what we see in the field in low resource settings.
That the fluoride of child development
are these human relationships.
That everything else can, and could be helpful
but if, and only if they help to enhance
the human relationships.
If they distract, if they weaken,
if they undermine the human relationships,
then they are counter productive.
So then, that brings back
to the system in which child care providers
have to comply with.
So, in a typical state the systems include
certification and compliance.
And increasingly it's mandated,
especially for child care providers
who receive subsidy dollars,
that they're part of the quality rating
and improvement system.
And of course, they're also guided
by each state's Early Learning Standards.
And each of these instruments
are constructed with good intention
and the best available research at the time.
But lemme just share, kind of, why we thought
maybe, maybe, that we have this gap
between what a provider does
and what the provider gets credit for.
So take the Environmental Rating Scale as an example.
It's probably one of the most common tools
in the QRS systems across the states.
So I like to collect tools,
but not just the published version,
but the history of the tool.
So once, I was able to find a 1980, the very first edition,
of the Environmental Rating Scale.
And if you can judge a book or tool by its cover,
I just want you to pay attention to the cover for a second.
This was the 1980 cover
and this was the 2005 cover,
that's 25 years later.
And I'm just gonna put them side by side.
So you notice the difference between the evolution
of the most commonly used ratings tool.
So if we were to open the cover,
what you'll see is, so in the 2005 version,
which was how I came to learn about the two,
you see 43 sub scales.
And out of 43 sub scales,
number 32, staff child interactions.
Of course there are staff child interactions
embedded in some of the other scales as well.
But, if we build a tool like that,
and if we convey to providers
that this is the tool that measures their quality
it's a little bit like taking sodium fluoride
and put it in the middle of the list
of inactive ingredients,
and just send the whole thing out,
and say that's a toothpaste.
You know, you couldn't tell which is the active,
and which are the things that are supposed
to support the active ingredient.
And,
then if we build a system
on notions like that, one of the challenges
I think we're running into in quality,
is that we may be mistaking measurements of resources,
as opposed to measurements of resourcefulness.
Resources, those places and communities
that have high resources,
or parents who can afford high resources,
would always have.
But it's particularly in low resource settings,
whether it's an orphanage,
or whether it's a home care provider,
that they are particularly resourceful.
But how do we capture resourcefulness?
And I think
one of the things we've come to understand
about most of the tools that we use,
let's say all of it,
is that they are always improving.
No version of the tool
is the absolute gold standard of any quality,
that these tools are evolving.
For example, for most of the states now,
environmental rating for,
and infants and toddler environmental rating,
are in this third version.
So if you look at
the fine prints about what is different,
what is intended to be different,
with the and the one that came last year,
you can see that the tools themselves
are trying grow in that direction.
That
the 2005 version required close attention
to the number and quality of materials,
but that iterative three now requires more attention
to how the teacher used the materials,
which is the resourcefulness.
Miss DeVore didn't have the right materials at the moment,
but she was able to use whatever material she had
to foster that little girl's development.
And what this example, I think, is pointing to us
is something that we've observed in systems
when it comes to child development,
youth development and child welfare overall,
which is caution.
At any time we're building a system,
any time we're using instruments
for accountability and measurement,
is that, this was attributed to Albert Einstein,
but this idea of "what counts cannot always be counted,
"and what can be counted does not always count."
And that if we're really faithful
to this idea of research informed,
evidence informed practice at the system level,
then research and evidence
tells us to have a sense of humility
about the limits of our instruments,
the limits of our measures.
Every system needs to use
the best available measure at the time,
but the best available measure
is almost never the only gold standard.
In fact every instrument counts some of the things
that doesn't count,
and a lot of the things that really count,
in terms of the interactions between children and providers,
cannot always be captured on a spreadsheet.
What then becomes the challenge
for technical assistance for coaching,
when we're working in that kind of a system,
when our instruments shift heavily
and weight heavily towards the availability of resources
and doesn't adequately capture the resourcefulness?
So there was a study a few years ago,
by the National Center for Children in Poverty,
and it was specifically done on coaching
and assistance in the QRIS systems.
And I think about 14 different states
participated and they interviewed state administrators.
And then they actually went down to interview
technical assistance providers in these states.
And they were trying to find out
when technical assistance providers in the QRIS system
go out to work with providers,
what do they most frequently spend their time on.
And I think the result is probably not unfamiliar to you.
Most of the time, absolute majority of the time,
they're working on how do you move up the ladder.
How do you do the kind of things,
acquire the kind of the things
that can improve the scores and move up the ladder.
That only about 50% of the time
do the technical assistance providers
actually have time to observe staff-child interactions,
so the active ingredient of quality,
will only have time to observe it for about 50% of the time.
And only about 11% of them were able to report
that they're actually helping the directors
to help the teachers.
Which you can imagine is the most essential element
once the technical assistance provider isn't there.
And so, the kinda system we have, right,
creates a priority structure that looks like this.
But if we're really focused on improving
the one thing that matters,
the active ingredient that matters,
above an beyond the health and safety standards.
Once we go beyond that requirement
the next biggest bang for the buck
is to focus on improving the quality.
We kinda need to actually move these things
around a little bit.
That in technical assistance we need to be able to see
the interactions and we need to be able to develop
mentoring and coaching capacity.
And then, in the hopes that eventually
we move up the ladder of quality.
We had the pleasure over the last year to work with
the Georgia Department of Early Care and Learning.
Let's say hi to our Georgia friends.
So, and it was a pilot effort
that's focused particularly on doing
just that kind of coaching and mentoring
for early language and literacy for infants and toddlers.
And, I just wanna show one story from that field.
There was in this one of the sites
that serves mixed income neighborhood,
mixed income parents,
there was this one teacher who is very well intentioned.
And she loves children, but she has been struggling,
on and off for a year infants and toddler room.
She just couldn't get comfortable, infant and toddler room.
So sometimes you can look at that and go wow, you know,
someone like Miss DeVore in the video early,
she just naturally have it.
And a new teacher like that probably just doesn't have it.
But I think the infant toddler specialists
took a very different approach.
And within the project, I think what Georgia did,
was they enabled these infant toddler specialists
to really spend time with the providers.
So much so, I think even by taking case load off
the specialists so that they can devote more time.
And the specialists are not just there
to work with the teachers,
but they're there to work
with lead teachers and center directors.
So that lead teachers and center directors
can become the source of support
for the teachers that actually work there.
And so what I wanted to show you is Miss Nicki,
someone who just a few months ago,
was just still not comfortable
being with infant and toddlers.
And one of the things her lead teacher, and site director,
and the infant toddler specialist from the state
was helping her work on, is just to take tiny,
incremental steps.
And one of which is to just see if it's possible
to just get down to the level of the infants and toddlers.
They know that she has the intention
and the love and affection for the children.
If she just can get down to the level
of the infants and toddlers,
that was a step that was worth taking.
So I just wanted to show you,
kind of after a few months of the teacher being supported
by the state's infant toddler specialist,
and the lead teacher, as well as, the site director,
what a moment looks like
in the infant toddler room in this center.
- You're gonna be a (mumble)?
(child babbling)
(exclaims with mock surprise)
(baby gurgling)
Go. (baby mimicking Miss Nicki)
(exclaims loudly) Go.
(baby gurgling)
You making bubbles?
You making bubbles?
Here, get your car.
- [Woman] Kimmy's on the way.
- Hey, you come to play cars with us?
(Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
You gonna play cars with us?
(baby gurgling)
(mimicking car engine)
(exclaims in surprise)
(mimicking train engine)
(mimicking train horn)
(mimicking train engine)
(mimicking car engine)
Here comes the bus.
Kimmy's gonna play with us?
You'll play with us?
There you go, there you go, high five.
High ten.
High ten, high ten.
There you go, there you go.
(clapping) (toddler rattling toy)
High ten.
Ten, high ten.
(toddler exclaims)
Ten.
- [Woman] There you go.
- There you go.
I got a double high ten.
I'm sorry, I let go to quick, I'm sorry.
Where you going?
Where you going?
(baby gurgling) (Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
(laughing)
You gonna lay down?
You coming back up?
You coming back up?
(baby cooing)
You coming back up?
(toy rattling)
Ready, set, go.
Go, alright.
Work out.
And one,
and two,
(toy rattling)
and three.
They're making music, you gon' dance to it?
(exclaims rhythmically)
(toy rattling)
(baby gurgling)
(Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
You held yours longer than me.
(baby gurgling)
(Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
(baby cooing)
Aww, thank you.
(baby gurgling) (Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
Hi girl.
(baby gurgling)
(Miss Nicki mimicking baby)
(laughing)
You aint got no more left?
You aint got no more left?
Hi girl, what you doing girl?
What you doing girl?
- [Woman] Aww.
- Thank you girl.
- [Woman] That was so nice.
What you wanna see (speaks away from mic).
(audience exclaims appreciatively)
- Georgia (chuckling).
(audience applauds)
I think in addition to the moment being remarkable,
it's really the story behind it.
How a system gets together
from the state infant toddler team to the lead teachers.
And the grant actually paid for time
away from everyday duties for the lead teachers,
so that they can develop and become the coaches
at their own site and so on.
And that the kind of interactions that you just saw,
with Miss Nicki, however simple that it looks,
it embodies almost every aspect
of what makes human interactions work.
Not just in early childhood,
but in every setting that we have worked in.
That you see that there is a sense of connection
that she have with the children.
That whatever interactions she has,
whether it's using words or using her body,
that there is this really a sense reciprocity,
or the Harvard Center on the Developing Child
have called serve and return, right.
It comes back and forth, back and forth.
And she may have three children with different abilities,
and some how all three of them gets her attention
and gets included in them.
And even though this was a language and literacy project,
you can see that each children gets
just a rich set of opportunity to grow
from physically, socio-emotionally and language,
just all within a matter of minutes.
Just by being with her at the same level.
And one of the things I think we learned
by working with the Georgia team,
is something that goes back to one of the important lessons
that we learned from Mr. Rogers
about how do you help people learn and grow,
not just children, but grown ups and well.
And Fred often thought and spoke about,
one of the most important thing,
or he thought was the most important job
that he can do in life,
whether it's through television screen
or at a street corner,
is to be, what he calls, a helpful appreciator.
And what that means is that,
I think he describes as,
"the greatest thing we can do
"is to find what is healthy and laudable about somebody else
"and reflect that to them.
"I really think that's the biggest weapon
"against any kind of bigotry or racism."
And he thought it was a very difficult task.
"It's a large assignment
"to be able to help people look deep within themselves
"and find what is wonderful there,
"because at the core of everyone is someone wonderful."
And I think what we learned in that work with Georgia
is that the infant toddler specialists,
the lead teachers, the site directors,
are able to look within each of the teachers that work there
and sees a wonderful teacher.
And through their appreciation, through their support,
they bring it out.
And I offered, kind of, the toothpaste analogy earlier,
I'm gonna switch to a flu shot one.
I know it feels like, oooo, flu shot.
So, the good thing about flu shot, it's over very quickly.
But for years, even when I was a child
and as well as a parent,
I actually didn't understand how a flu shot worked.
I always thought it was mystifying,
because it took like a second, right,
and it had some protective power that last for months.
So I just thought, wow, like,
whatever medicine they have in there has to be so potent
that it takes one second to administer
and it lasts for months.
Until I think our pediatrician was explaining to me
that there's no medicine in the traditional sense,
inside the flu shot are benign fragments
of the viruses themselves for that season.
And so, the flu shot works
because it assumes that your body already have
what it takes to protect against the viruses.
So the job of a flu shot isn't to give you medicine per say,
it's to help to wake the autoimmune body system
that then, once awoken, it'll protect you
for the rest of the time.
And I wondered if that was a fitting analogy
to think about the kind of technical systems
and coaching provide to providers and teachers.
That it's not so much all the things they don't know
that we put towards them,
but to trust that they may have a lot what it takes to grow.
And it's a bout waking up that process
that allows them to learn, allows them to grow.
And one of our teacher partners,
in public school in Pittsburgh,
phrased it like that, which we love.
Which is that, "innovation is finding something new
"inside something known."
Not always the new gadget, the new toys, the new curriculum,
but simply having a process where we can learn
from the kind of practices we always have known
but may have taken for granted.
And then, for the system as a whole,
I wondered what that means.
What does it mean now,
especially with this monumental increase in federal funding
and each state has some flexibility to innovate,
is how do we innovate in a way that helps us
to find something new within the system
and the practices that we've always known?
I wanted to come back to, kind of,
the basic premise, at least of the last two decades,
of why this Early Childhood System
is here in the first place.
All of you have heard this at one point or the other,
that we're all here because that an investment
in early childhood brings returns,
more than any other intervention.
And most of the conversations at the policy level
and research level have focused on the return.
You know, by improving school achievement,
and reduced special education,
and reduced crime, et cetera, et cetera,
these are the things that come to return.
And only within the last few years I realized
that I actually didn't quite understand
about the investment.
It's easy to say a dollar invested.
But like, what was that dollar invested in?
In the studies that gave these numbers,
what did they do with their dollar in the very beginning?
Or how did we invest it?
Some of you may have heard of some of these big studies,
there's the big three for the field of early childhood.
The earliest one is Perry Preschool,
and then Abecedarian North Carolina, and then in Chicago.
And those are the studies that have given us,
more or less, the return on investment estimates
that has propelled the field.
So I'm just gonna take one of them as an example.
So, Perry Preschool was the earliest one
it's sometimes the most well known one,
because it has the largest return on investment,
in part because they were able to track the children
for a very long time.
And I had this very simplistic and naive understanding
of what Perry Preschool was about,
until about two years ago.
Which is it that, I thought as a researcher,
I just naively thought that Perry Preschool
was about a bunch of qualified teachers
delivering evidenced-based preschool curriculum.
It should've been obvious to me in hindsight
that that was too simplistic,
because Perry Preschool was the evidence.
So they couldn't be delivering evidenced-based curriculum
while they're doing it.
(audience laughing)
So I don't know how I missed that.
(audience laughing)
But I was reminded of that two years ago
by a two-part article
in NAEYC's magazine,
Young Children,
by these two people, Louise Derman-Sparks and Evelyn Moore.
Now some of you may have heard
of at least Louise Derman-Sparks.
She's a champion and leader
on anti-discrimination curriculum in preschool.
What you may not know,
well she was one of the Perry Preschool teachers.
She came out, she had her Master's
and she went into Perry Preschool.
And Perry Preschool isn't this state of the art preschool
that we're trying to model after.
It was in an old gym in Ypsilanti, Michigan
in
a school that was across
from segregated public housing projects.
They didn't have, like,
by today's environmental rating standards,
they didn't have what they have.
They had this old gym that they sub divided
into four sections, had four teachers,
each of them had about six kids.
And the children were identified
from the public housing project,
because their IQ has fallen below 80,
so they qualify for special ed.
That was how Perry Preschool got started.
But what I also didn't know,
is that for the Perry Preschool,
I always knew it was a half-day program,
what I didn't know is,
that they didn't have curriculum ready day in and day out.
There were four teachers that worked at any one point,
and they were just making this up.
I don't mean like out of the void,
I mean they're with children.
So, they think about what the children are interested in,
they identify what resources that they have
from the things they can buy to the things they can make.
And every day, every week,
they try to kinda create things
they think would work for the children.
They try and understand what the children are interested in,
follow their lead.
But then, what did they do in the afternoons?
I forgot to ask that question early on.
They went into the public housing projects
every, single afternoon
to visit the families of the children.
It is one of the most intensive home visiting programs
that ever was.
To think of Perry Preschool as a curriculum project,
is over simplifying it.
That so much of this was to build
partnership with the families.
And the original administrator's intent
was for the teachers to go into the homes
in the public housing project,
to correct parenting deficits.
But the teachers goes in and go, we're not doing that.
(laughing)
They do what all good home visitors do.
They go in, they build a relationship
that's based on trust and respect.
And they did that every, single week.
Not just about early childhood,
they helped the parent to think about
how to advocate for their older children
in the public school system.
They were the ultimate parent empowerers in that system.
And so, that pie is missing just one slice,
which is Friday afternoon.
Friday afternoon there were no children
and there were no home visits,
the teachers just spend their time with each other.
All this they had to do was enormously difficult
and then, regardless of their degrees,
no one was prepared to do all these.
So just four teachers was the smallest community
of practice they needed to encourage each other,
to offer ideas, to talk about struggles
and then they went home.
So if this was to serve,
this, the results of Perry Preschool study,
along with the other two, have propelled our movement.
But the model, the model had been somewhat forgotten,
at least it was unknown to me,
until the teachers themselves talked about it.
And that if we were to make it abstract,
I think it's that the teachers invested
in building relationship with children
through these everyday, simple interactions.
And they invested approximately 50%
of their capacity to do that.
And then, knowing that preschool is only a year, two years,
and the real impact is gonna come from parents,
so the teachers invest about 40%
of the time strengthening the parents,
so that the parents can be impactful for the children
long after the preschool was over.
And all this was difficult to do.
And the teachers invested 10% of their time
to work with each other.
If we think of Perry Preschool,
this was the model, this was how we invested that dollar.
Not buying curriculums,
but in supporting the human relationships
that actually happened near that public housing project
and in that old school gym.
And in a way, each of the big three,
while the percentage may be different,
while the person doing the home visiting may be different,
but each of the big three, more or less,
have traces of this model.
This model looks quite different
from Early Childhood Systems that we think of today.
The closest thing that we may still have,
that started around the same time
of the Perry Preschool Project is Head Start.
Head Start had a very strong component
in investing in the families.
So the last story I wanted to share today
comes from Head Start classrooms in Pittsburgh.
We, for the last years, have been working
with different pre-k classrooms,
and that included Head Start classrooms.
Now in this particular school
the Head Start program served a high refugee population
in Pittsburgh.
So about half of the children in the classroom
are English Language Learners.
And most of the children, of course,
are from the low income community.
So when my colleagues at the center were working
with groups of teachers from different Head Start,
they noticed this was this one elderly teacher,
who's been working in Early Childhood System
for about 30 years.
She clearly has experience,
but she was usually very quiet in these workshops
and she was very, very nervous
when our team went in to film her classroom.
She was not feeling good about her classroom.
And, one of the things we find out later,
is that she's the lead teacher in the classroom
but the teacher aide
or second teacher that she's very familiar with
went on maternity leave.
So everyday she goes in, in order to keep up with the ratios
she'll get just a sub.
She doesn't know the sub,
and she again have somewhere between 22, 24 children,
half of them are English Language Learners
and come from refugee families and so on.
So it's a very, very challenging environment for her.
And she didn't feel like she was doing as good a job
as she would like.
So we did go into her classroom and we filmed.
And then in one of the sessions
where she attended the workshop,
we wanted to make sure to reflect back to her
what she was doing.
And the only way we can do that,
instead of capturing one moment,
we just wanted to see what she actually did.
And, I'm gonna just warn you ahead of time,
that when you see the video
for some of you it may seem a little dizzying,
because you have to see how she just moves across the room,
and capture every interaction as she can.
And if it's dizzying for you,
can you imagine how dizzying it must be for her
to do that for the entire school day?
Woops.
(children talking)
- [Miss Delores] It's here.
- I wanna see. - There's Sadil
with his robot.
- Where's the (mumbles)
- Wanna make him move a little bit?
Watch we can make him move a little bit like this.
See how he's moving da-da da-da-da-da da-da-da.
(light hearted music) (whirring)
(children talking background)
- [Miss Delores] How many?
That many?
- [Boy] Yeah.
- [Miss Delores] And how many is that?
(child speaking foreign language)
That, this is five.
- Yeah. - This is ten.
Ten, this is ten, this is five.
Five. - Five.
- Ten. - Ten.
- Yes.
(lighthearted music) (whirring)
(children talking in background)
I'm going to make
a mushroom.
Did you ever eat a mushroom?
- No. - No?
Did you ever see a mushroom?
Did you ever eat cream of mushroom soup?
(children talking loudly)
What is that Erin?
What is it?
Do you want this or something else?
Do you want this or something else?
I don't know.
You want to watch this or something else?
- Yes. - Something else, okay, here.
Press the button here, press here.
Okay, now
what do you want to play with?
There you go.
- I make spaghetti.
- Spaghetti?
On top of spaghetti?
(boy laughs)
And meat balls?
- This is a hammer.
- It's a hammer?
- Yeah.
- Should I hammer my mushroom?
You're gonna smoosh my mushroom?
Oh thank you.
(lighthearted music) (whirring)
(children talking over Miss Delores)
- 'Cause I don't want to be in jail.
I need to get out of jail.
- [Girl] (children talking over girl) To get out.
- Tomorrow I can get out?
- So in that, I mean, this goes on all day.
(laughing)
We were just trying to count, right,
the opportunities she took.
Whether it was a few seconds, or whether it was a minute.
And that every time a child comes up to her
and she gives her full attention to that child
as long as she could afford to do so,
and then she gives the attention to the next, right.
And that in the workshop, when we finally played that video,
I think she just, she said, "that's what I do everyday,
"I don't think is worth anything,
it's just, it's what I do everyday."
And then when she heard the other teachers
in Head Start and other programs
saying that, you know, "that was great,
"I wanna be like you."
She started to get teary eyed
because she said, this year,
even though she's in her 30th year,
she really struggled this year,
and the only feedback she has gotten
within her own institution,
was her classroom was getting too loud.
And that, you know, she talked about how she started
in early childhood field right after high school, right.
And then she worked to get her CDAs,
to get her degree, to get her credentials
to qualify eventually as a lead teacher.
She was precisely the kind of early childhood professional
that we all hope to have,
who's committed to the field,
who persevered, who got the credentials
and who stayed for 30 years.
But as much as we admired what she did,
we also struggled, why is it that a teacher
who has the credentials,
who struggled for all these 30 years,
yet the 30th year still feel like she's not good enough
in that kind of a system?
And what is it that we can do for them?
And this, will bring back to, kind of,
this return on investment one more time.
It's easy and catchy to think about $13 returned.
But of course, in early childhood,
they didn't just invest a dollar.
Like, what did they actually invest,
particularly on the people that matter the most,
which are the teachers?
So I did some basic calculations.
In 1962 Perry Preschool teachers at entry-level
were paid $6,500 for it, that's in 1962 dollars.
If you adjusted for inflation
at the Department of Labor Statistics,
that makes a career average salary of $65,000 today.
And of course, that is not the salary,
that is not the salary of early childhood field.
Report, after report, talked about the unsustainable level
of salary and income for early childhood educators,
particularly Head Start, particularly family care providers.
So in my home state in Pennsylvania,
the average child care provider salary
is just under $20,000.
And this year, in conjunction with the federal funding,
our state increased the reimbursement rate
for the first time in ten years.
A lot of times, some of the concern was,
well, how do we increase their salary,
if they don't increase their credentials?
Well, if you look at Head Start,
which has a pretty steep credential requirement,
so in our state 60% of the Head Start teachers
in 2015 already have college degrees.
And they're mostly married, they're insured and so on.
And they're median salary was $27,000.
The Center for Disease Control did a specific wellness study
of the Head Start teachers in Pennsylvania,
and what they find out, is that compared to women
with similar profile and family circumstances
who are in the workforce,
that Head Start teachers are twice more likely
to have poor physical health,
more likely to have clinical depression
and much more likely to feel mentally
and physically unwell.
And that has
to have a lot to do
with the financial circumstances
in which they find themselves.
And Head Start teachers we're already in a better position
than a lot of the providers that you saw earlier.
And I think the conclusion of the CDC study
was very striking and moving for me.
It simply said, for the staff to function well
in their work with children and families,
they must be well.
And whatever it is we can do,
from compensation, to health care, to coaching,
to help them be well and feel well.
When you think about the interactions,
if interaction was the active ingredient,
even as parents and grandparents,
when we go home we can just intuitively understand
what is gonna hurt our interaction with children the most.
It is the stress that we carry on our shoulders.
The more stressed we are,
the less we are available to children in our care.
And that is certainly true with providers as well,
especially a provider who has to work in a dizzying pace,
like what you just saw.
And that, I know all of us,
from the federal to the state level,
we're being held accountable for outcomes
for these return on investment.
But an important part of that process
is if we don't invest the right amount of dollars,
and if we don't invest the dollars
to support the people and support the relationships,
then there's very little chance
that it'll lead to the kind of return on investment
that we once had with programs like Perry Preschool.
And from the Zaentz Initiative,
my colleagues Noni Lesaux and Stephanie Jones,
put it, I think, really well, is that
when it comes to early childhood investment,
we need to be as invested in the helpers,
as the helpers are invested in our children.
And as a system, we cannot make a lasting impact on children
by skipping over the adults in the middle.
(audience applauds)
So, just to wrap it up.
I came here particularly concerned,
as all of you are,
with the gap between resources and quality,
particularly for the providers,
who they themselves having low resources
but are serving families who have equally low resources.
And that we have tried,
in our field of work, trying to see how is it possible
to have high quality experiences for children
in low resource settings,
and what kind of supports do helpers need
in these kind of settings.
For a little family care provider like Miss DeVore,
who on that day was rating one star.
How do we as a system offer encouragement to her,
that while she doesn't have
all the inactive ingredients specified,
that she gets this one thing right,
and that some how she can get credit for that?
For a young teacher like Miss Nicki in Georgia,
who has all the heart
but doesn't have enough experience yet.
How do we build the kind of system
with mentoring from infant toddler specialists,
from peers, from center directors,
so that she can turn her intention,
she can enrich it into the kind of interaction
she has with children?
How do we think about innovation
not by just adding more,
but on helping people to find
what is extraordinary
in the ordinary things they already do?
And then for Miss Delores the Head Start teacher,
who after 30 years
still feels like she wasn't being a good teacher.
How do we, from compensation, from support,
from feedback, to empower her?
We talked about empower the early childhood profession.
She did everything right in her career.
How do we empower her?
And how do we really make our investment count?
Not just be drawn to the $13 part of the equation,
but to be drawn to the dollar invested.
Can we invest adequately, can we invest right?
And all of that, at least for me
feeling kind of still new at the policy table,
I don't know what the specific actions that we can take,
I would imagine every state is different.
But I imagine that within this room of they,
that all of us have enough power
and the flexibility within our control.
And that what we hope to offer
to the table is just this question.
Is that, whatever decisions we make
about practice, about program regulation standards,
about funding policies, if we could just start
and end our meetings with the question,
how does this practice, or program and policy
help to encourage, enrich
and empower the human relationships around the child?
That in the active ingredient sense,
unless our decisions about practice
and program, and polices can do that,
it is unlikely gonna make a sustainable impact
on the children, on the families and on the providers.
And thank you so much for having us at the table.
And
(audience applauding)
we appreciate it.
So, thank you.
(audience applauds)
- Thank you so much for your thoughtfulness
of you and your colleagues of bringing that message to us.
Dr. Li does have time for some questions,
if there's questions from the audience.
- [Woman] And a breakout session.
- And he has a breakout session this afternoon.
Shannon do you have it?
I don't have it open here
but, there's a break out session as well.
Questions?
Comments?
Shannon.
- [Shannon] I'm a little bit interested
in how your work with the Zaentz Initiative
at the Harvard Graduate School of Education
might bring you in contact with more policy makers.
Do you have any idea?
You know, I think we need an expanded they.
(Junlei chuckles)
So just curious.
- So we, one of the things I was really excited about is
that we are in the process of building
a Harvard and Fred Rogers partnership in early childhood.
Trying to take these ideas and bridging them together.
I know one of the things
that the Zaentz Initiative are doing
is to help to support the leadership
of the early childhood field through the Leadership Academy.
Trying to help all of us to think through these issues,
right, not accept the current the state as they are,
but to think about what is it that we can grow.
But then both the Fred Rogers Center
and Harvard's Zaentz Initiative
are active in wanting to partner with states,
just like the partnership we had
with Pennsylvania and Georgia,
to provide support as states continue to let
the quality system evolve.
Let the Early Childhood System evolve
to better reflect this idea that human relationships
and interactions are at the core
of what makes our system work.
So, thank you.
- [Woman] Hi good morning, sorry, think it's still morning.
Two questions.
Just interested in knowing
if there's anywhere, a resource that just has a culmination
of the work that just shared, one.
And then secondly,
and I could maybe pick this up,
pick the response up at the workshop,
but curious if you've heard anything,
since you've been here,
that supports and facilitates the work
that you've done and are continuing,
and conversely something that you've observed or heard
that we really need to pay attention to?
Like, this may take us in the wrong direction,
of, again, the work that you've shared.
- Right, so we don't have a ton of resources,
but in the follow up workshop, I'll share some of them.
But, collectively our community of practice
has a website called, simpleinteractions.org.
And on there you'll find, kind of,
how we approach these issues
and the very simple, publicly available free tool
that we share with folks across the country
and around the world.
On the question of, kind of, what is hopeful and promising.
I really am excited,
and I'll stay through the rest of the conference,
'cause I wanted to hear all the things
that are happening in different states.
Just from the states that we know,
the Pennsylvania and so on,
I think any kind of incremental increase
in reimbursement rate that helps
the basic bottom line of the provider,
particularly providers who are serving high numbers
of children with subsidy,
and who themselves are in low resource,
anything we can do in that front,
and multiple states has been doing that,
would, I think, take a huge step in empowering
the human interactions and the quality of interactions.
And then within the quality and technical assistance system,
just like the work that the state of Georgia did
and a lot of the work Pennsylvania did,
the more that the technical assistance and coaching
can focus on what the providers are actually doing,
interacting with the children,
I think the more empowering it can be for the providers.
And the more that that effort is spent
on getting the biggest bang for the buck,
as far as actually improving quality.
And I'm not sure, right, how quickly they can improve
the actual numbers on the QRIS system,
but that is something that every state
have to struggle with.
And in Pennsylvania I know we just have finished a revision
and the simplification of the rating system.
So, thank you.
- [Woman] Hi, so, I am looking at my notes
and my key takeaways from your presentation.
And, what I'm hearing is,
as we build quality rating and improvement systems,
perhaps we should look at the limited resources
we have and focus more on the I.
Certainly, for accountability purposes,
we have to focus on the R, I'm not minimizing the R.
But it seems as if, as we unpack the dollar,
making sure the dollar is going more into the I,
which includes compensation,
is where you're telling us to go.
Is that accurate or over simplified?
- No, no, I think, I understand and I described earlier on,
like, systems are inherently complex
and it needs to be complex
in order to have regulations and funding and everything in.
But I think, out of that complexity,
by focusing on interactions,
by focusing all decisions on how are we improving
the quality of interactions,
and therefore improving the quality of the relationships
that help to bring all that complexity into a focal point.
Without it, I think, the complexity at times
would just serve itself.
And that we, I think, again to echo
your point, we really have to accept the system as it is,
in that that we have a discrepancy
between how we define quality
and what quality is affordable
for providers as well as for families.
And that we can't go on pretending
that we have everything that providers need
to rise up in quality.
In every analysis we have seen so far,
that has hasn't happened yet.
And on financing professional development
on many different fronts,
I know there are innovative ideas across different states,
like shared service and so on,
that help to improve the bottom line.
And I think so many providers are struggling
at such a subsistence level,
that it's unrealistic to expect them
to have these beautiful interactions day in and day out,
when they themselves are weighed down
by making a living.
So, thank you.
- [Moniquin] I think we have--
- [Woman] Oh, one more thing.
First of all, I'd like to thank you
for alleviating the guilt that I've been carrying
over the last few years of fudging
some of my ECERS observations,
(audience laughing)
because,
you know, it was so frustrating
that you would observe,
I'd do an observation in a room
and it was, you know, that same experience
that you had with the first family child care provider,
warm, loving and nurturing.
But because maybe a few kids didn't wash their hands
in the proper process, you know,
it just had such an impact on their overall score.
It just felt kind of self-defeating.
So, thank you, you alleviated my guilt.
(laughing)
But I was always worried Debby Cryer was right behind me
with her score sheet redoing my scores.
But, kinda to that point that you had made
about accountability.
You know, I know that we're all in
that whole thing of accountability,
and I am totally on board that I think human relationships
are the focus, but how do you quantify that?
You know, we have legislatures to be responsible to,
and they're all wanting to know
the data, the data, the data.
So, I mean, ECERS observation assessment things
are easy to show numbers.
But any suggestions as far as,
how do you quantify that important part?
- Yeah, I think that's a really important question.
And I think,
the only thing I can tell you
is that if we're honest about where the research is
on measurements of early childhood quality.
My understanding of the consensus
of the research community is,
we don't know how how to quantify that.
That publishers may say, well, this is the perfect measure.
But by and large, in the research community,
who's steeped in measurements of quality,
no measure, and I'll put my stakes on it,
no measure has strongly predicted child outcomes.
They have moderately, marginally
and sometimes have not predicted child outcomes at all
on large-scale studies.
These measures are well intentioned,
a lot of the measures that we're familiar with,
like Environmental Rating Scale and CLASS,
they weren't developed as accountability measures.
The original author, the original intent
of all those tools are as research tools
and as coaching technical assistance tools,
but not as accountability tools.
So if you use a tool that wasn't designed for that purpose,
we'll run into some of these challenges.
But to your question about
how do we in this room answer to the they
that we're accountable to.
I can tell you that only, in my effort,
I started off as a researcher.
So I was comfortable talking about numbers,
but I really, really feel,
and that's why today I brought stories not numbers,
because I really, really feel that a coherent story,
not an individual, anecdotal story,
a coherent story of why early childhood works.
So I don't know if you can put the current slide up?
I think, to me, the ultimate accountability
if we're serious about return on investment,
is to hold ourselves and to explain to others,
but to hold the system accountable
for the models that actually gave us
the return on investment.
If we can't hold onto that model,
then it doesn't matter how many measures we have.
And a lot of times there's a lot of demand
for rigorous measures, but I always feel like
if we get the model wrong, the rigorous measures
will just rigorously find out that we failed.
(audience laughs)
Which has happened, time and time again.
And that we can look at that picture,
and this afternoon in breakout
I'll share kind of a more general version of this,
but
there's nothing here that doesn't make sense intuitively.
And there's nothing here that's alien
to the history and legacy of early childhood
that we inherited.
But how much of our Early Childhood System
mirrors this picture, right?
And what are the percentages of capacity
and investment that we make in that picture?
That I strongly believe, not only based on research,
but on the historical accounts
of how Early Childhood System came to be,
that this was a system that was built
by relationships for relationships.
And that, we just have to be able to tell that story.
Thank you.
- [Moniquin] Thank you. (audience applauds)
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