- Okay, we had some big elections
that have some big implications for us
with our federal representation.
Max, let's start with you.
We've got a new senator.
- Yes.
- Junior senator, Mitt Romney,
although he doesn't sound like a junior senator.
- That is very...
especially when the senior senator is now Mike Lee,
and, nothing about Lee,
but it's just that he is,
Mike Lee's about my age which I don't like to think as that.
- He was a page for Orrin Hatch.
- Exactly, yeah.
- And there he's the senior senator,
and Mitt Romney is the junior senator.
- The junior senator, yeah.
- I'm gonna guess that Senator Lee points that out
as much as humanly possible over the next few years.
- I've heard it a time or two.
- And you wonder if Lee, with this whole time was saying,
"Now that Orrin Hatch is retiring I'll get the attention."
(laughing)
And then its like, "Sorry, Mitt Romney is going
"to be the other senator now."
But, I do have to say, and before we talk about Mitt Romney,
that one of the things that's always interesting,
I think Mike Lee is a fascinating political animal
because he dances to his own drum,
and so in the last couple of months, in this last year
he was one of the primary voices against U.S. involvement
in the war in Yemen.
That has become a big issue now with Khashoggi
and getting more attention,
but he's been on it for a long time
and criminal justice reform is getting a vote now
and he has big on that and, in both cases,
he is one of the few republicans who's
crossing the aisle with democrats.
This is Mike Lee and Bernie Sanders.
- Yes.
- So, its a fascinating thing.
- Okay, Lisa, why so much influence right now
or interest from Senator Lee?
- Matt said earlier that one of the things
about the election was that we sort of forgot
about Mitt Romney being on the ballot, right?
I mean, we just decided once he got through that primary,
well probably even before that,
that he was clearly going to win.
He's very popular in Utah.
He's a republican.
He ran for president.
He was embraced as a favorite son here
even before he lived here full-time.
But now, the national attention is going to be on Romney.
Even though, as you say, Senator Lee is doing all of these
bipartisan big things, he's probably not getting
the national attention for them that a Mitt Romney would.
There's a lot of expectations on Romney, though,
in terms of how he will deal
with the Republican president, Donald Trump.
Whether he'll stand up as Arizona Senator Jeff Flake did
and the late John McCain did,
or whether we'll see more of what we saw during the campaign
which was not a lot about Trump
unless there was a real concern,
and then he would speak out in a very measured way,
online usually.
- Matt, how's Mitt Romney gonna handle
these statements from people,
saying, "We're looking to you to be the check."
- So the hard part is it's easy
when you can do what he did in the campaign,
which is release an essay when he feels like it,
hold few news conferences...
If you walk around the halls of the Senate
you're bombarded by reporters at all times.
He's going to be asked every time
the president says anything, "What's your reaction?"
To a degree, people like Mike Lee are not.
How he threads this needle is going to be
one of the more interesting stories of 2019,
but also just what the agenda is.
Mike Lee votes against every budget bill
that's not in regular order, which means every budget bill
because Congress can't get their act together
when it comes to the budget.
Well, we don't expect Mitt Romney to do that.
They will probably be kind of like
what we've seen with Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee,
very different types of senators.
We expect that.
How they interplay where they vote differently
will be one of the more interesting stories as well.
- And isn't it fascinting, too, that
when you had Romney/McCain back in 2008,
they didn't get along
because they're very different personalities.
- Yeah.
- And Mitt Romney is more of an institutionalist.
He's someone who holds back.
He's reserved and that's one of his
really good qualities.
Well, one of McCain's really good qualities is that
he was not reserved,
and so you could count on him to speak his mind that way.
So, how does...
Now, Romney's expected to be that maverick.
I mean, all these people retiring now.
You have Bob Corker and Jeff Flake
and people leaving the Senate.
You mentioned, in the halls of the Senate,
Romney's going to be the guy.
He's going to be the guy that the Capitol reporters go to
to get the, you know, - He's one of the most
high profile senators.
There's a hundred of them, but there's very few
that have the national cache that Mitt Romney has.
- Yeah, very few have run as
their party's nominee for President.
- Very good, very good conversation, thank you.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
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