Unboxing Universal Audio UAD-2 OCTO with Mark Christensen Owner of Engine Room Audio, hey happy Friday guys it's Rob from the tech rep so I'm here with mr. Marc
Christiansen from engine room audio I'm gonna get a background on him first but
I want to tell you guys how this came about Universal Audio was nice enough to
send us the UAD satellite unit I had no idea what to do with it you know I do a
lot of home audio video home automation smart home all that good stuff on the
tech rep side and I reached out to drea Mackenzie who's now with axia records
formerly of g-unit that's why I met Dre when we were doing the 50 cent thing at
50 Cent's office and I asked him to set me up with somebody who knew what they
were doing and he went overboard he introduced me to mark we were just
sitting here for a few minutes and I was trying to get over what we're about to
learn about on this board and I'm gonna let morph take it away now and tell us
what he's been up to last 25 30 40 years hundred more - yeah well my name is Marc
Christiansen I'm the head engineer owner of engine
room audio in Manhattan New York City we are a production facility we do a lot of
work for major label artists a lot of indie artists of all kinds artists I
mean basically what we do is make records we have all together on the
floor here about 11 studios some are bigger some are smaller but we are
constantly just churning out music that's what we do that's awesome so some
of the artists you guys work with up in here well we've worked with 50 up in
here you know all the genic guys have been up in writer
we've had well LeBron James was here last weekend or actually maybe three
weekends ago he was here with 2 Chainz working on some stuff which is sort of
cool he didn't wake up happy this morning no sorry LeBron we read Nicki
Minaj up in here we've had some really cool new artists there's a group called
the Flatbush zombies which are really amazing I mean we've had so many people
up here we even had I mean who's the cello guy you know I'm sad with people's
names but you know it's not it's it's it's a lot of urban pop music but it's
also you know it's all kinds of different stuff we do choral music up
here I've won Grammys for mixing Broadway
musicals so it's you know it's not just I mean I think our more famous clients
are probably are in urban pop stuff but we do all kinds of music and
I'm sure Steve you'll get us some photo shots of those rewards and these Grammys
and stuff like that I really want to go to those rooms and check that stuff out
Flatbush zombies my daughter was like who were you going to see you know
Prynne and she's like do they know I figured that she gives me all these
names but she knew Flatbush zombies oh yeah cool and after looking at the
website I stumbled in some of the artists and mr. probz I like that he's
got that silky voice I'm definitely check him out but so what do we got here
tell me about this piece please okay well Universal Audio they are making
some of the best audio Hardware out there they've been doing it forever I
mean I don't know how much you know about their company their dad actually
kind of invented equipment I know that sounds ridiculous but he was one of the
first audio engineers ever you know a lot of the equipment that their father
invented is still in use today you know the la-2a 1176 is the 2/6 ends
like steve has you know it is shocking to think about you know how much stuff
he's kind of responsible for his sons now run this company they're doing an
amazing job and they're really interested in super high end audio
processing obviously the wave of the future is kind of digital audio you know
we still use a lot of analog equipment but the digital stuff is making the
production process a lot more streamlined this box will run what are
called plugins which is like a sort of an additional tool that you can use
within a da da stands for digital audio workstation so if you're running logic
or you're running Pro Tools any of those kinds of applications you can run
plugins from other manufacturers within the context of that application and what
the satellite the UA to you ad to satellite does is allow you to run their
plugins which are sort of a little more high-end they're a little more there
their R&D processes a lot more intense the plugins themselves from a technical
perspective require a lot of horsepower you know in the digital audio universe
we call that what do we call that it's too early the
morning DSP digital media of course yes we have that now are ya field yes
so these boxes actually have a lot of outboard DSP processing power the octo
here refers to the number of chips in there right so the octo is sort of one
of the more powerful boxes you can buy them with fewer chips but this is a box
that you attach to your computer it provides processing that is separate and
distinct from the chip in the computer and it allows these sort of high-end
plugins to have more so you're not eating up that internal memory the
computer is not freezing you're not getting a lag which I'm sure it just
makes a mess of what you're trying to do exactly right so being new and trying to
learn about these things mark would who would buy this would I mean every other
friend I talk to is doing mixing in that basement obviously not a setup like this
where do you put this as as far as I have to get this one I have what what
number on the list is it you don't say like yeah well you know you attach it to
your computer right you could attach this to your laptop you could attach it
to a larger CPU one of the great things about this platform is is that you can
use it very effectively at all different levels of sort of production you know if
you're doing it in your basement you could you could use these plugins to
great effect you could bring this box with you to a big studio like this you
could plug it in you could use your plugins on the session so you could
start night I work like this with a number of actually some of them are
bigger artists where they will actually start the record in their hotel room
they'll have one of these along with their laptop they'll get the project
started they'll bring it in here will have one of these along with our HD rig
and we use the same plugins a lot of the same set ups and tracking that they've
already done within ProTools we can also utilize it as part of the
larger session so it's super flexible in so if I have a laptop but you have to be
a software that this coordinates with you have to have something you explain
that it's a mixer software and then you would buy this would be the second thing
you bought yeah yeah yeah it could it could easily be the second thing you
bought and they make a version of this Apollo's you know which is
a smaller guy which has a lot of processing power in it but it also has a
lot of other functionality which allows you to turn your laptop into a miniature
version of this it has a lot of sort of talkback you know for your artist you
can do plug your headphones into it as a really nice mic pries in it so you know
they're they're starting to dominate the market a little bit because their stuff
is sort of very forward-thinking in super utilitarian in the sense that you
know you can use it every day and it's a good effect you know so I want to do
some back story on you I wanted to find out where you came from and I saw that
you I watched a video and said you like to mix the digital and the analog sounds
together and in our industry we love the old analog tubes because it's such a
warmer sound is that why you mix them too when is it because you're older
school the new guys really going away with then they you still the older
analog stuff or well you know in might what I've seen you know is is that
people who've got good ears they always gravitate towards the analog
equipment and it is true that the digital is getting better and better and
better and you know again I mean not to be blowing these guys up but they're
starting to break some of those thresholds there's a very very well
known mastering engineer who I had an email exchange with earlier this week
where we were comparing an analogue piece of equipment to the digital
version of that exact same piece of equipment coming out of this box and he
was telling me look for the first time ever like literally in my life in my
professional life for the first time ever I'm wondering if I might like the
digital one a little better and that had for him that it never happened before
your name drop 100 it's a guy named Andy vendette he was amazing he's worked with
rush he's worked well you know a lot of a lot of you know Whitney Houston I mean
he did a lot of stuff for The Beastie Boys so yeah he's been around for a long
time working a lot of cool cool records but yeah the analog stuff that you know
there's certain things that digital is amazing for you know I used to be like a
analog tape freak you know I still own a whole bunch of analog tape machines
I used to insist on using analog tape for a lot of different things but I
realized after a while it as long as you treat ProTools correctly and as long
as you know how to use it you can kind of get equally good recordings they are
slightly different recordings but they're not worse you know but there are
certain applications where the analog is still better and that's why you sort of
want to mix them you know there are some major label records you know some
records in the charts now well quite a few records in the charts now that we're
done exclusively in the box right but there's certain kinds of musics
that lend themselves to that treatment right there's a lot of sort of more of
the urban pop stuff you can get away with that some of the very sort of shiny
sort of 2d pop records you know I mean the newest like Taylor Swift record I
mean you know Max Martin and those guys it's an amazing sound but it's it's a
surface sound it doesn't have any depth to it if you go back and try to you know
if you try to make like an old Bob Dylan record on digital it's not gonna happen
you know most of the groups that are actual musicians playing instruments
with microphones that stuff is still pretty much it has to be mixed analog
for it to make any sense you can do it digitally but you know it's kind of like
the difference between IMAX and super 8 right you know it's not it's not same
yet and you said good ears do you think that that the newer generation is losing
that once they perspective of that sound because they're listening to like you
know they don't have the music that we grew up with right the turntable right
well it's an interesting question and I'll tell you what I'm in an interesting
position because I have like 30 students who are all obviously well not all but a
lot of them are younger guys you know guys and gals and that's one of the
things that I'm constantly talking to them about is you know what their what
their perception is and you know when we were younger right if you wanted to be
like one of the cool kids on the Block you had to have a cool stereo system
right and you would still today you better have a cool story exactly
but you know the kids today they don't really think that way they want to have
good headphones right but it's not like oh let me get the receiver and the
speakers in that you know all this stuff so a lot of them
haven't really heard what good sound is but like my fear was oh they won't be
able to tell the difference no they hear it right they can right oh
yeah you know a lot of times at first they're like oh my god what's all that
low in it right and I'm like well that's what low-end actually sounds like yeah
but after they go through you know some of these courses I'm teaching they're
all kind of an Alec oh I have to have equipment that actually sounds like
something right now so you're provoking these kids exactly
go better their parents were pissed at me let's
see what's in the box as you open that I want to tell you my daughter she's 13
and she says I want headphones for Christmas this is okay no problem I'm
gonna get hurt you know we know guys at Macintosh and Ben Heiser I'm gonna get
something nice you know to three hundred Oliver Ames she says I want beats right
you're getting beats and it wound up I didn't get her the headphones and ran
out of the beats and it's just like you you know you're trying to teach them the
right way but they want this what everybody else has there's problem with
these boxes is they're looking like you test no well you know yeah that's I mean
I'm glad I'm glad you took a stand with the beats man and then on a Sunday I'll
turn on we have BMWs in the living room and I'll put on her music so that she
can listen which is she knows this is the difference like you said right away
right but for her to go back to that and turn all that we she's nothing though
she nice it's in a room with the ID she has a TV that big in a room and right on
the iPad watching everything yeah mobile phones yeah different sold oh yeah we
got the card we got the car you're feeling boxy for more Christiansted of
the UAD there we satellite opto and there's there's I don't I guess that's
all bill inside the company's been around so long the day so yes here it is
it's very stylish Lee designed mmm-hmm just looks like an outboard hard drive
that's what it looks like right it's similar size exactly and it connects via
a thunderbolt connection okay they do make a version sound sorry what
is this - power supply yeah they do make versions that also connected by USB 3 I
think and then also firewire but most stuff is going to
so I mean it's basically that's that's what it is you know you've connected it
has like I mentioned it has a power supply you connected by a thunderbolt to
either your laptop or your your CPU and there's a very small sort of software
component that you download and you run it sort of concurrently with whatever
audio software that you're using but it's pretty you know minimal it doesn't
have a very big footprint in the computer at all it just kind of shows
you you know what's going on in terms of the processing so this is what well this
is the UID - well this is a plugin this is a plug-in the the u8 that was trying
to show you the UND so it looks like an old military radio right that this this
little console device is also part of the UAD kind of situation there without
getting crazy yeah it's a little complicated but it does come with a
little mixer which runs in an ancillary kind of way additionally to Pro Tools
right if you're a Pro Tools user especially if you're using a home rig
you're probably very familiar with this concept of latency one of the problems
with a native natively run Pro Tools rig is is that the chip in there can
sometimes get a little overloaded and especially when you're recording and
using a microphone the guys that you ad very successfully dealt with that
problem because there's a lot of processing in fact I mean that's what
this box is right is it's doing processing so you can actually using
this little mixer you can now record without latency which should be a huge
deal to you hopefully you understand what I'm talking about but if you can
record without latency and you can record through some of the really nice
mic pre emulations and stuff Steve I know you have a 6/10 they also have an
emulation for that Neve emulations they have all kinds of really amazing
sounding emulations that you can run with no latency using your laptop and
you do that through this little console which they have so that's that's a
little software that you have to install to run it along with Pro Tools
and then you know there are the plugins themselves right which there's when you
buy the box initially it comes with a certain number
of plugins I don't know exactly how many it just kind of depends sometimes they
have promotions and stuff and you buy the box and they give you X number
they're always gonna give you something and I think to some extent you can even
choose which plugins you want to download once you have the box once
you've downloaded X number of plugins that are sort of included with it you
can obviously pay more for more of them yeah and there are there's there's I
mean there's there's literally hundreds of them so you know at the tech reps
what we do is we like to take technology I was thinking on the way down here that
music is probably in everybody's life right and we technology I need touch
technology probably every five minutes even outside your field so we try and
provide value to the people who watch the video and see what the value is in
this and see what it's about before they go ahead and buy it and really get an
expert opinion on it so that's what we do the tech reps if that makes sense
yeah well I mean my honest opinion is is that this stuff is amazing you know we
wouldn't use it here if it wasn't amazing and you're saying was this it
would be the second piece of the piece of gear that you would buy yeah
definitely awesome I mean you know you're I know you're you're about
opinions and people's opinions I mean my honest opinion is I would use their
plugins above anything else I know there's a lot of plug-in manufacturers
out there you know there's more and more and more and more than there used to be
almost all of those plugins are running on your host base chip these are running
on external DSP which is kind of a big deal and not only is the architecture of
how they work differently but the plugins themselves have been developed
in conjunction with the actual hardware manufacturers so the hardware
manufacturers are approving the sound of the device right so it's you know I tell
my students a lot that it's the it's the one of the few truly professional level
things that you can have just on your laptop you know if you're using the opto
or if you're using one of their interface boxes you know you can review
can get a quality signal path at home in your basement that'll stand up to a
professional level situation so if you get that perfect take at home in your
basement using their equipment or their plugins you have a good chance of that
tape being as good as you know what's gonna happen in a studio like this so it
you know I you know we have them in all of our rooms here and I strongly
recommend it awesome appreciate it I'm always telling them actually that
they need to get me conditioned on shit cuz my students going by it you know you
keep saying students you have a school I work with right now I'm working with
this school called the recording connection
right and it's sort of like an externship program where there is a
curriculum that we teach them and they also are here during the course of the
week and they observe sessions they they act as kind of assistant engineers so
it's kind of in the studio it's very hands-on it's it's a it's a pretty good
program at what can they find it on the internet if they go to our RFC right
which is recording radio and film connection so it's our RFC calm okay
it'll come on awesome and that's you guys
we're part of you're part of that yeah they they run the program in different
studios across the country they drive studios in LA so once they're at our RFC
comm they're gonna look for well if they just look for the producing engineering
program okay engine room audio is for us partly all
ages I mean you got yep yeah even guys absolutely and in all levels of
knowledge do I have to rank beginners that have never even turned on a
computer but I actually have a couple of guys who have taken the course that are
already studio owners but they were sort of more self-taught and there was gaps
in they're not exactly sure so Steve we're gonna get you over there yeah
let's see you have some samples lined up well yeah so this is a plugin it's a
plugin of an equalizer unit which is you know the hardware version is
manufactured by Chandler limited this is you know you were talking about how a
look vintage is actually based on an old EMI
designed right from EMI studios in London back in the day and this guy Wade
Chandler who's kind of friend of mine but he bases a lot of his designs on
some of this old EMI gear like it was in a B I love it man it looks like it's
from mash yeah exactly and it's a beautiful device we've got it set up
currently on a piano track I'm working on a record right now for an artist
named Larry Johnson who I think is gonna be huge we just got started on it and
it's this is a track that he's been working on I can play a little bit I
don't this isn't an actual mix these are just important I've got this EQ on the
piano the piano this is a pianist named Vinnie pastor good so I actually have at
the moment I've got a little bit of presence kicking in there so it's about
you know 4k roughly helping that piano sound a little more
if i bypass the plugin so here's with it in by bypassing carrot lat
yeah it's a little less lively a little less exciting drop it back in punches a
little more so it's just replicating the look that physical device would have
done if we had yeah exactly we actually had one of the reps from Universal Audio
here a couple months ago actually showing some of my students and they had
a really interesting pro tool session that they had put together where they
had spent a bunch of time in a bunch of energy lining up a bunch of hardware
devices and then comparing it directly with the plugins they recorded it
through both versions they also mixed it through both versions and then they
inter cut the song together and the challenge was can I hear where it
changes and can I hear what the difference is between the various
elements and to be honest we could hear it you know but we weren't always sure
which was which and it wasn't oh this is clearly better this is clearly worse it
was more just like this one is subtly different
this one is subtly different but they were both very good and so you know the
emulations that they're doing the difference between the plug-in version
of the Chandler and the hardware version of the Chandler which right he does he
yes they're very very very similar and I'm so happy you gave us the time and
it's really awesome to see here but I'm gonna be looking at this more because
it's like the symbiotic relationship between us and the computer like you
guys on this side of the record are waiting for this alright it finally
tipped you know and maybe you just got older and your hearing is not that good
anymore right I'm still 5% are you really yeah that's awesome and after all
this no that's not wood yeah yeah so I appreciate it well good all right next
time anything else you want to shout out feel free we're gonna put this on
youtube we want to give value to universal audio and anybody out there
who's looking to do some mixing or whatever
has been doing here at the engine audio rap engine room audio will cut that
round and whatever Marc's doing here at the engine room audio alright guys
listen I really had a good time here I want to thank more Christiansen for the
hour or three hours whatever we just spent here feels like a long time I was
really expecting for this room to launch with all these controls and stuff a big
shout out to Universal Audio sending that peace out giving us the opportunity
to review it we hope you we hook up again we want to
give mark a control system real quick from Logitech we're now the reps of
Logitech Mark and we're going to be setting you up with some other Logitech
stuff we see some remotes floating around but you'll be able to take this
home and/or set up these remote controls so you just hit one button we'll talk
about it off camera but Logitech is definitely the way to go for home
automation would you have any tech at your house you use any kind of
automation you know my wife just bought a place out in Long Island and we got
all kinds of automation going on we do now yeah okay it's pretty cool awesome
we have a really cool the whole house is wired you know speaker systems in every
room and all the stuff and it does make you happy you just don't know it's cool
oh alright good so we'll set you open the Hat here any on your house here
alright guys thanks again thank you thank you
you
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