>> MR.
HOUCHINS ABSENT.
MR.
MURPHY.
>> HERE.
>> MS.
SHELTON IS ABSENT.
DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE, HERE.
>> MR.
FRALEY.
>> HERE.
THE CHAIR ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTINUING AGENDA -- EXCUSE ME,
REGULAR AGENDA.
>> WELL, THE CONTINUED AGENDA, FIRST TWO ITEMS ON IT, ITEM
NUMBER ONE BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A ZONING TEXT
AMENDMENT TO TABLE 9-A OF THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE
MICRO BREWERIES AND ALL ELIGIBLE USE IN THE HC-G3 IN THE HISTORIC
AND CULTURAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, A
REQUEST BY CHAMPION BREWING COMPANY LLC FOR THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS AT 739 YARMOUTH STREET, A, A CHANGE OF ZONING
FROM HCG-1 TO HC-G3, B, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE A
MICROBREWERY.
THOSE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE
YOU A MOTION ON THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THREE ITEMS.
THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 2 FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA.
THAT IS THE AMERICAN LEGION ATTUCKS POST 5 FOR THE FOLLOWING
SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AT 923 GLENROCK ROAD.
A IS TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY GRANTED SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR AN
ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT.
B IS TO FREIGHT AN AFTER-HOURS MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION.
3, WAWA, IS A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE ALSO FOR THE
FOLLOWING SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AT 701 NORTH NEWTOWN ROAD.
A IS TO OPERATE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUEL SALES.
B IS THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF-PREMISE
CONSUMPTION.
AND ITEM NUMBER 6, GRANNY'S COUNTRY COOKING FOR A SPECIAL
EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT WITH
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT 628 35th STREET SUITES 636-A AND 636-B.
THE LAST THREE ARE REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL THE PUBLIC
HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 28th.
THE FIRST TWO ARE REQUESTS TO BE WITHDRAWALS.
THE MOTION BEFORE YOU WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWALS AND
CONTINUE THE REQUESTED ITEMS TO A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 28th, 2:30 P.M.
IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 11th FLOOR, CITY HALL
BUILDING, CIVIC CENTER, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA.
MR.
HALES.
>> AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE.
>> MR.
FRALEY.
>> AYE.
THANK YOU, LENNY.
>> WE NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH
IS MONUMENT DEVELOPMENT TWO, LLC, FOR THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS AT 2607 COLONIAL AVENUE.
A IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IN THE
GENERAL PLAN, PLANORFOLK2030, FROM INSTITUTIONAL TO
MULTIFAMILY CORRIDOR.
B IS TO DESIGNATE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS A NORFOLK HISTORIC
LANDMARK.
AND C IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH
MORE THAN SIX DWELLING UNITS.
>> THANK YOU, LENNY.
CHAIR ACKNOWLEDGES A MS.
-- I ASSUME -- I'M SORRY, SUSAN.
I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.
I'M SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY.
AS LENNY INDICATED, THIS IS A REQUEST BY MONUMENT DEVELOPMENT
TWO, LLC.
THE REQUEST, THEY'VE GOT THREE REQUESTS.
ONE IS FOR -- TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN.
TWO IS TO DESIGNATE THE STRUCTURE AS A NORFOLK HISTORIC
LANDMARK AND THE LAST ONE IS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR
MULTIFAMILY, MORE THAN SIX UNITS.
SO THIS IS THE SITE HERE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF COLONIAL
AVENUE BETWEEN 26th AND 27th.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW IT AS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB BUILT IN
1949 FOR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
IT IS, AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE
BUILDING FOR MULTIFAMILY.
THE ZONING WILL REMAIN THE SAME, IN-1, INSTITUTIONAL.
THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD BE AMENDED FROM INSTITUTIONAL TO
MULTIFAMILY CORRIDOR, AND THEN THE ARB WHO HEARD THIS REQUEST
DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND FORWARDS THAT RECOMMENDATION TO
YOU ALL TO DESIGNATE IT AN AS HISTORIC LANDMARK.
AS YOU KNOW, ONCE SOMETHING IS DESIGNATED AS A NORFOLK HISTORIC
LANDMARK, THAT THEN PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE USE.
SO IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR USES
THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL
DISTRICT.
SO IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE ALSO APPLYING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION
FOR MULTIFAMILY, AND IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO USE
THE EXISTING BUILDING AND I MIGHT ADD THAT, TOO, THEY ARE
ALSO APPLYING FOR A HISTORIC TAX CREDIT, SO WE'RE REALLY KEEPING
THE INTENT OF THAT HISTORIC BUILDING BUILT IN 1949 AND
CONVERTING IT TO 41 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
THEY DO HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE ONSITE.
THERE ARE ONE SPACE PER UNIT, WHICH IS WHAT WE REQUIRE, AND
THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG 26th
STREET.
DON'T QUITE MEET OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, BUT THEY'RE THERE
NOW.
THEY'VE BEEN USED ALL ALONG, SO GENERALLY WE DON'T ALLOW THEM TO
COUNT TOWARDS THEIR REQUIREMENT.
THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENT ELSEWHERE, BUT I JUST POINT THAT
OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE SITE.
THIS IS THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY, MULTI-COLORED.
I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING.
SO YOU CAN SEE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1949, BUT
THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST THREE ADDITIONS, SO 1949, AGAIN, THE
ORIGINAL BUILDING.
AND THEN IN 1956, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REAR PART WAS ADDED.
I THINK THAT WAS AN ADDITION TO WHERE THE POOL AREA WAS AND SOME
ADDITIONAL SPACES, AND AGAIN IN 1986, THERE WAS ANOTHER MAJOR
EXPANSION TO THE BUILDING.
ALL OF THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.
AND ACTUALLY, ON THIS PHOTO YOU CAN SEE THESE SPACES ALONG 26th
STREET THAT KIND OF BACK UP ON THE SITE.
THEY'RE ANGLED.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU HERE, SO WE'VE GOT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE
IS THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY IT AND
CHANGE IT INTO MULTIFAMILY.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DIFFERENT UNITS ARE.
ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT BOX KIND OF THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE POOL IS NOW, SO THAT WILL BE GOING AWAY.
LOOKING TO THE NEW LAYOUT WHERE THE UNITS ARE LAID OUT, THEY
WILL HAVE ONE EXTRA-LARGE UNIT THERE, SO I THINK YOU CAN SEE
THAT.
BUT THEY WILL BE PUTTING APARTMENTS WHERE THE POOL SPACE
IS NOW, SO THAT'S FIRST FLOOR.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF THE SAME THING ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THERE IS PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE ONE STORY AND PARTS OF
THE BUILDING THAT ARE TWO STORIES, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT
OF A CHALLENGE IN LAYING OUT THE APARTMENTS, SO I DID WANT TO
SHOW YOU THAT.
I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, AND AGAIN,
THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS BROUGHT TO ARB AND APPROVED.
SO WE'VE GOT THE ELEVATION LOOKING DOWN 26th STREET.
AGAIN, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
THEY'RE REALLY ABIDING BY THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING
BUILDING AND TRYING TO KEEP THAT INTACT.
NOT MANY CHANGES, REALLY, HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE IT WAS FIRST
BUILT IN 1949.
FROM COLONIAL AVENUE, AGAIN, YOU CAN DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE WHAT
THEY'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT IS THERE NOW, HOPEFULLY DIFFERENT
COLORS.
AND THEN THIS IS ALONG 27th STREET.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS FROM THE REAR.
SO FROM BASICALLY WHERE THE PARKING LOT WILL BE, YOU CAN SEE
WHERE THE DOMED BUILDING IS, THAT'S WHERE THE -- THERE'S
SPACE FOR THE PARKING THERE.
AND THEN LASTLY, I DID WANT TO SHOW YOU, SO THIS IS THE
LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE AMENDMENT TO
THE GENERAL PLAN.
IT IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE
HISTORIC -- THE DESIGNATION AS THE NORFOLK HISTORIC LANDMARK,
AND THEN FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THE ADAPTIVE
REUSE FOR THE 41 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
SO AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SUPPORT ON ALL THREE REQUESTS.
ANY QUESTIONS?
>> SUSAN, HAVE YOU -- THANK YOU.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE CIVIC LEAGUE?
>> THE PRESIDENT IS HERE, SO I'LL LET HIM SPEAK.
>> QUESTION ON THE THIRD SIDE YOU SHOWED.
THE ELEVATION, IS THAT A SETBACK, ACTUALLY?
BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY, THE BUILDING IS SET BACK AT THE
TOP -- THE SECOND FLOOR IS SET BACK FROM THE FIRST.
YOU SEE?
BUT ON THE ELEVATION, IT MIGHT BE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN'T READ IT AS SUCH.
>> I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
>> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION,
CHRIS JOHNSON.
THANK YOU.
YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK?
>> I THOUGHT I NEEDED TO ANSWER --
>> HELP YOURSELF, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
>> I'M SORRY, I'LL JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
CHRIS JOHNSON, PRINCIPAL OF THE MONUMENT COMPANIES, 425 EAST
CARY STREET, RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
THERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY CHANGES TO THE SETBECOMES ON THE
ELEVATION -- SETBACKS ON THE ELEVATION.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, ALAN SULLIVAN.
DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, JOHNNY WILLIAMS.
SIMON HUDLOW.
DIANE -- YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME.
DON'T WISH TO SPEAK EITHER?
OKAY.
AND CHARLES JOHNSON DOES HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
COME ALONG, MR.
JOHNSON, AND EXPRESS THESE CONCERNS IF YOU
WOULD.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THE
DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AND TO THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
MY NAME IS CHARLES JOHNSON.
I LIVE AT 3226 OMOHUNDRO AVENUE AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE
PARK PLACE CIVIC LEAGUE.
I'M HERE TODAY NOT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED FOR THE REST OF
THE CIVIC LEAGUE FOR THIS PROJECT, I'M HERE JUST TO SPEAK
TO YOU ABOUT SOME CONCERNS I MAY HAVE ACCORDING TO THE BOARD.
THIS WEEK, THE MONUMENT INCORPORATED MET WITH THE BOARD
ON MONDAY NIGHT AND AT THAT TIME, THEY PRESENTED THE
PROJECT.
AND WE HAD A Q&A ON THE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING WENT OKAY, BUT WE
THOUGHT THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE CIVIC LEAGUE
ITSELF.
SO WE'RE REQUESTING AT THIS TIME THAT IF THEY COULD PRESENT THIS
TO THE FULL BODY, EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED TODAY, THAT THEY COME
BACK ON SEPTEMBER 11th, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING,
SO THE FULL BODY WILL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
THAT'S ONE THING WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
BEYOND THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE A FEW POINTS ABOUT THIS
PROJECT AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
FIRST OF ALL, THE PARK PLACE CIVIC LEAGUE HAS ALWAYS
ATTEMPTED TO PURSUE WHAT WE CALL THE HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD
CONCEPT.
THE HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT IS THE IDEA THAT IF YOU'RE GOING
TO BRING AN INVESTMENT IN, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO INVEST IN AND BE AT MARKET RATE.
WE ARE SATISFIED, BASED ON OUR MEETING WITH THE MONUMENT
INCORPORATED REPRESENTATIVES ON MONDAY, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO
BRING IN AT-MARKET OR ABOVE MARKET RATE, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY
SATISFIED WITH THAT PROJECT.
WE'RE CONCERNED THERE WOULD BE AN AFFORDABLE TYPE PROJECT.
AND THEN OTHER CONCERNS WITH REFERENCE TO PARKING.
THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO FEEL THAT THIS
COULD BE AN AREA OF CONGESTION BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN 26th STREET
AND 27th STREET, WHICH ARE TWO MAJOR HIGHWAYS GOING EAST AND
WEST.
THE MONUMENT INCORPORATED DID LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING
TO LOOK INTO A TRAFFIC INVESTIGATION TO SEE HOW MANY
CARS WERE GOING UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND WHAT PROBLEMS IT
WOULD PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT IF THIS IS ALLOWED, THEN THE CITY
SHOULD LOOK INTO MAYBE MAKING THE THREE LANES OF 26th STREET
AND 27th STREET TWO LANES AS THEY HAVE DONE ALREADY FROM
COLLEY AVENUE TO HAMPTON BOULEVARD AND ALSO HAVE DONE AT
THE OTHER END, SO WHY NOT MAKE THE ENTIRE FULL, AND IT WOULD BE
GOOD FOR PARKING, ALSO TO SAFETY AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC
AND PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD ALONG THAT.
AT 26th AND COLONIAL, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF OUR CIVIC LEAGUE,
JOHN CORDER AND DAVID HOUSEMAN, AND THAT WHOLE AREA IS REALLY
DEVELOPING.
IT'S WHAT WE WANTED FOR OUR NEW -- WHAT WE CALL HEALTHY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
WE JUST WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPERS TO LOOK INTO,
YOU KNOW, THE CONGESTION THAT IT MAY OCCUR AND MAY NOT OCCUR.
ALSO ALONG WITH THAT, THERE'S THE PARKING.
THERE'S PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE PROVIDED FOR EACH PERSON
THERE.
SOME CONCERNS IS THAT THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY, WHAT
IMPACT WILL IT HAVE ON THEM.
IT MAY NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR IMPACT, BUT THE NEIGHBORS MAY
WANT TO GIVE THEIR OPINION.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE'RE ASKING THEM TO COME BEFORE THE
CIVIC LEAGUE IN CASE THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE
SUBJECT.
AND LASTLY AT THIS POINT, THE PARK PLACE -- I GUESS YOU WOULD
SAY HISTORICAL OVERLAY PLAN, THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS
FACILITY GO FROM INSTITUTIONAL TO THE PARK PLACE OVERLAY PLAN
FOR HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GLAD THEY'RE
GOING TO KEEP THE BUILDING THE WAY IT IS AND TAKE AWAY ALL THE
DIFFERENT COLORS ON THE BUILDING, THAT'S GOING TO BE
GREAT, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED DOWN THE ROAD, WHERE DO WE STOP?
I MEAN, HOW DO YOU LOOK INTO DETERMINING THAT THIS IS A
HISTORICAL SITE AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO MAKE CHANGES ON THIS?
THIS MAY BE A GOOD MOVE FOR THE PARK PLACE AREA, IT MAY NOT BE A
GOOD MOVE FOR THE PARK PLACE AREA, BUT I'M SAYING TO THE
COMMISSION, WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE YOU AND THEY'RE PUTTING
APPLICATIONS IF HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS INTO THE PARK PLACE
AREA, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT IT SHOULD FIT INTO THE
HISTORICAL NATURE OF PARK PLACE.
I WOULD SAY IT LOOKS THAT WAY ACCORDING TO 1949.
OVERALL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S A PROJECT THAT STANDS UP TO WHAT WE CONSIDER TO
BE THE HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER
THEM COMING TO OUR CIVIC LEAGUE MEETING ON THE 11th AND
PRESENTING IT TO THE BODY.
WE'RE ASKING THAT THEY LOOK MORE INTO THE CONGESTION, POSSIBLY
TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE, AND ALSO THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO PRESENT
UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
>> I DO, VERY QUICKLY.
SO IS YOUR HOPE THEN THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COME BACK TO YOUR
REGULAR CIVIC LEAGUE MEETING FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY?
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING?
>> FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, BUT ALSO IN REFERENCE TO VOTE.
WE DON'T MEET IN JULY AND AUGUST.
THAT'S WHY THEY CAME BEFORE THE BOARD.
THEY WERE GOING TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD IN JULY, BUT SOME
THINGS CAME UP, THE MEETING WAS MOVED TO THE AUGUST MEETING, BUT
OUR FIRST MEETING IS NOT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 11th.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS?
>> NOT FOR MR.
JOHNSON?
WHEN WILL COUNCIL SEE THIS?
IS IT AFTER SEPTEMBER 11th, I ASSUME?
>> IT WILL BE THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, CHARLES.
HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS APPLICATION, ADESTO HOYER.
YES, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS -- I LIVE HERE IN NORFOLK.
I DO HAVE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
MY BASIC CONCERN IS THE CIVIC LEAGUE --
>> SIR, COULD YOU GIVE US A MAILING ADDRESS?
>> YES, SIR.
>> YOUR MAILING ADDRESS.
>> 8821 CHESAPEAKE BOULEVARD IN NORFOLK.
IF THE CIVIC LEAGUE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS
THE DESIRE OF ALL THE UTILIZATION OF THIS BUILDING OF
THE HISTORIC BUILDING, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND FOR YEARS THAT AN
INTEREST OF THE CITY WAS TO BUILD THIS AREA UP TO
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO CREATE THE LARGEST POSSIBLE NUMBERS OF
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
MYSELF, I WAS AFFECTED BECAUSE I WANTED TO CONVERT A THREE-UNIT
THAT I HAD INTO A DUPLEX.
IT WAS A TRIPLEX TO CONVERT INTO DUPLEX AND THAT APPLICATION WAS
DENIED, AND THE REASON THAT THE GENTLEMANS TOLD ME WAS THAT THE
CITY INTENTION WAS TO CONVERT ALL THIS PROPERTY INTO
SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
SO I SEE MY POSITION IS HOW COME THIS CAN BE CONVERTED INTO 41
UNITS WHEN THE INTEREST OF THE CITY WAS TO CONVERT THE LARGEST
PROPORTION OF THIS HOUSES INTO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES?
I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A HISTORICAL ISSUE ON THE
BUILDING, BUT THAT BUILDING ALSO COULD BE UTILIZED IN A DIFFERENT
WAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, A CENTER OF LEARNING OR SOME OTHER FACILITY
THAT THE CITY CAN UTILIZE AND THE COMMUNITY CAN BENEFIT ALSO.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTION OR COMMENT, COMMISSIONERS?
>> SIR, WHEN DID YOUR CASE COME BEFORE -- IT DID --
>> IT DID NOT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE
EXPLANATION GIVEN TO HIM WAS NOT AS HE DEPICTED.
>> I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GERMANE TO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT
NOW, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR APPLICATION HERE.
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION.
>> CERTAINLY, ABSOLUTELY.
>> YOU HEARD MR.
JOHNSON, THE CIVIC LEAGUE'S REQUEST FOR YOU
GUYS TO COME BACK.
WE CAN'T MAKE THAT A STIPULATION AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL, BUT I
THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE SAYING LET'S MOVE THIS FORWARD
WITH A VOTE TODAY AND ASK YOU TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, VISIT THE
CIVIC LEAGUE WITH MR.
JOHNSON ON SEPTEMBER 11th.
>> WE WILL.
>> SO HE CAN VOICE -- IF HE HAS ANY CONCERNS, HE CAN VOICE IT AT
THE COUNCIL DURING THAT MEETING.
IF HE DOESN'T HAVE PROBLEMS, THEN HE CAN NOT.
>> WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE THERE AND CERTAINLY ALWAYS WANT TO
ENGAGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
>> APPRECIATE THAT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> READY FOR MOTION?
>> YES, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION BEFORE YOU IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE
GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE APPLICATION FOR LANDMARK
DESIGNATION AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO
CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
MR.
HALES.
>> AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THE INVESTMENT
THEY'RE MAKING IN NORFOLK.
I VOTE AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE. >> AND MR.
FRALEY.
>> TIE WOULD LIKE TO -- I TOO WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MR.
MURPHY'S COMMENTS.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING IN OUR BUILT-UP CITY FOR ADAPTIVE
REUSES OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.
APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO WANT TO REUSE THIS
BUILDING THAT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT FOR SOME TIME.
WE CERTAINLY WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK WITH IT.
I VOTE AYE. AND WE WILL MAKE THAT
RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU.
>> THE NEXT APPLICATION MOVES US DOWN TO NUMBER 4, SABOR
CARIBENO, FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN EATING
AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT AT 7616 SEWELLS POINT ROAD.
>> HELLO, COMMISSIONERS.
BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FROM SABOR CARIBENO.
IT IS AN EXISTING RESTAURANT AT 7616 SEWELLS POINT ROAD IN THE
SEWELLS POINT PLACE SHOPPING PLAZA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR FREIGHT AN EATING AND DRINKING
ESTABLISHMENT IN ORDER TO ADD ON-PREMISE ALCOHOL SALES.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C-2 WITH SEVERAL OTHER COMMERCIAL USES IN
THE AREA, AND WITH THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT AND
PROPERTY OWNER HAVE AGREED TO INSTALL ONSITE IMPROVEMENTS,
INCLUDING A DUMPSTER FOR THE ENTIRE PLAZA, AS WELL AS
PERIMETER LANDSCAPING ON SEWELLS POINT ROAD.
AND WE'RE GIVING THEM A SIX-MONTH TIME SPAN TO DO SO.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE PROPOSED HOURS FOR THE SALE OF
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ARE LIMITED TO 8:00 A.M.
UNTIL 8:00 P.M.
MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 11:00 A.M.
UNTIL 6:00 P.M.
ON SUNDAY WITH A CAPACITY OF 32
SEATS INDOORS, ZERO SEATS OUTDOORS, AND A TOTAL CAPACITY
OF 35.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE
STAFF REPORT, INCLUDING THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS AS STATED BEFORE.
>> THANK YOU, MS.
McDONALD.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF COLLETTE BEFORE SHE TAKES A
SEAT?
COMMENTS?
THANK YOU, COLLETTE.
HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION IS THE APPLICANT,
JAVIER SANTOS.
>> YES, SIR.
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
THANK YOU.
BASICALLY I'M A FAMILY OWNER OF A SMALL RESTAURANT --
>> MR.
SANTOS, YOU CAN START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND MAILING
ADDRESS.
>> JAVIER SANTOS, THE OWNER OF SABOR CARIBENO ON 7616 SEWELLS
POINT ROAD, NORFOLK.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND IT'S A SMALL FAMILY
RESTAURANT.
WE SERVE FOOD PRETTY MUCH ALL DAY AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO
PROVIDE THE FAMILY TO COME AND ASK FOR SOME WINE OR BEER WITH
THEIR MEAL, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT AND ALSO TO HAVE
IT -- EARN A DECENT LIVING FOR THE FAMILY, KEEP THE BUSINESS
OPEN.
NOTHING MAJOR.
>> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION, ALAN
SULLIVAN.
OKAY.
AND HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS APPLICATION, MURRAY SIMPSON
JONES.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS MARY SIMPSON JONES.
I LIVE AT 7505 PAULINE COURT, NOT TOO FAR FROM THE RESTAURANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU THAT -- I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CIVIC LEAGUE AND THEY CAME TO US IN 2016 FOR A REQUEST TO ADD
WINE AND THINGS, AND WE SAID NO.
I WAS APPALLED THAT WHEN I GOT THE APPLICATION FOR THE PERMIT,
THAT WE WERE NOT INFORMED.
THEY KNOW THAT WE MEET FROM SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY, BUT YET,
THEY APPLIED DURING JUNE.
THEY DID NOT GIVE US COMMON COURTESY.
I HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE BEEN SURVEYING THE PLACE.
THEY DON'T HAVE LESS THAN, I THINK, 25 OR 26 PARKING SPACES.
YOU GOT TWO HAIR COMPANIES THAT DO BRAIDING AND DOMINION HAIRS
DO, SO THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE.
PLUS, YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR THERE THAT SHARES ANOTHER SPACE
WITH ANOTHER BUILDING THAT LEAVES A TRUCK PARKED OUT THERE
EVERY DAY.
THEN YOU HAVE LIDO INN DOWN THE STREET.
YOU HAVE THE PLASMA CENTER WHICH WE HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS
WITH PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THAT WAY.
CAPTAIN D'S RESTAURANT IS ACROSS -- NEARBY THEM.
WE HAVE BUSINESSES, A LARGE ROOMING HOUSE WHERE TENANTS ARE
STAYING AND AN INSURANCE STORE, AN APPLIANCE STORE, THE BARGE
COMPANY, AND A LARGE CHURCH WHICH WILL BE AT THE TIMEFRAME
THAT THEY WILL BE IN OPERATION ON SATURDAY.
SEWELLS POINT ROAD AS BUSY ROAD.
YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
YOU CANNOT -- WITH THE BUSES GOING THROUGH AND TRAFFIC GOING
THROUGH, WE HAVE A STORE THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY PLACED THERE.
AS A CIVIC LEAGUE, WE FELT LIKE WE WERE NOT DUE RESPECT WITH
THEM COMING TO US AND WHICH WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN AGREEMENT
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THINGS THEY WERE GOING TO DO BECAUSE IT'S
NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR ALL THOSE BUSINESSES THERE, AND THE WOMEN
WHO KNOW THEY GO TO THE BEAUTY PARLOR, WHO KNOWSES HOW LONG
THEY WILL BE THERE, SO PARKING SPACE IS A PROBLEM AND FROM THE
PICTURE THAT SHOWS, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THAT.
I GO THERE BY THE MORNING TIME BECAUSE I GO TO NORTH SIDE POOL.
I HAVE BEEN THERE DURING THE DAYTIME, BUT THEY HAVE BUT ONE
HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE WITHIN THAT 25 OR 26 UNITS.
AND AS THE PRESIDENT AND THE MEMBERS I HAVE TALKED TO, WE ARE
NOT IN AGREEMENT.
I HAD FAXED OVER A LETTER AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL RECEIVED
IT OR NOT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME HARD COPIES HERE IF YOU NEED TO
SEE IT TO KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN MORE.
>> PLEASE.
>> MS.
JONES, THEY'RE OPERATING NOW AS A RESTAURANT, ARE THEY
NOT?
>> YES, RESTAURANT, AND I HAVE BEEN THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES,
AND IT'S QUITE QUAINT AS A RESTAURANT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> SO THEN IS YOUR CONTENTION, MS.
SIMPT SON JONES, THAT THE ADDITION OF THIS ON-PREMISE
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES WOULD BE A NEGATIVE ON THE SURROUNDING
COMMUNITY?
>> YES, IT DEFINITELY WOULD, WITH THE COMMUNITY AS IT IS AND
THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THE OTHER BUSINESSES OVER THERE AND THE
PARKING AND EVEN HOW IT'S KEPT UP AND BEING THE BUSINESSES YOU
HAVE THERE WILL BE CONGESTED AND WITH HANDICAPPED PARKING, AS YOU
SEE, IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT GOOD FOR HANDICAPPED PERSONS.
>> WOULD IT BE OF ANY FAVOR TO YOU AND YOUR MEMBERS IF WE HAD
THIS APPLICANT TO MEET WITH YOU FOLKS?
ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN
TERMS OF WHAT THEIR POSITION IS?
>> THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE
CORONADO, THEY PUT IN THE APPLICANT FOR THAT STORE THAT'S
ON SEWELLS POINT AND -- I DON'T KNOW, REAGAN ROAD OR WHATEVER,
AND IT WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT.
WE ARE LIKE SOMEWHAT IN THE SAME AREA WHERE TRAFFIC IS BUSY AND
ON A SUNDAY OR SATURDAY, THE HOURS ARE NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
>> I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A REFERENCE TO THE STORE AT THE
CORNER OF REASON AND SEWELLS POINT?
>> YES.
>> THEY DO NO HAVE, AS I RECALL, OFF-PREMISE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
>> RIGHT, BUT I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR CIVIC LEAGUES AND THEY HAD
ASKED, BUT THEN WHEN IT CAME BEFORE COUNCIL, IT WAS NOT IN
AGREEMENT AND I FEEL LIKE WHERE WE LIVE, THAT THIS PLACE --
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE ANY MONEY.
LIKE I SAY, I'VE BEEN THERE, IT'S A NICE QUAINT PLACE TO EAT,
BUT WITH THE ALCOHOL OR WHATEVER, I FEEL LIKE WITH THE
PLASMA PLACE BEING OVER THERE, WHATEVER, AFTER THEY GET THEIR
25 OR $30, THEY MAY COME OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THE
SHOPPING CENTER HAS FOUR LIQUOR PLACES AND WINE PLACES OVER
THERE, SO I HAVE DONE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR
COMMUNITY.
AND THE BUS ROUTE THAT COMES THROUGH THERE, THE TRAFFIC THAT
COMES THROUGH THERE IS HORRENDOUS.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT IF THEY DO
WANT TO MEET WITH US AGAIN, WE'RE MORE THAN OPEN TO MEET
WITH THEM.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER THE 25th, NORVIEW CENTER AT
7:00.
>> THANK YOU, MS.
SIMPSON.
I'M SORRY, WERE YOU FINISHED?
>> YES.
>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS OF MS.
JONES, COMMISSIONERS?
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WE DO HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL, MR.
SANTOS.
>> MR.
SULLIVAN, YOU DIDN'T SPEAK INITIALLY.
>> YES.
>> MR.
SAN IS TO DID.
>> MAY I ALLOW ME TO SPEAK?
>> CERTAIN.
>> MAY I ALLOW HIM?
>> NO, YOU ARE.
IF HE WANTED TO SPEAK, HE SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN WHEN HE WAS CALLED.
>> LENNY, WE DO HAVE FLEXIBILITY.
IF HE WANTS TO YIELD HIS REBUTTAL TIME TO SOMEONE HE IS,
HE HAS THAT FLEXIBILITY.
>> THAT'S YOUR CALL.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
ALAN SULLIVAN, 429 YORK STREET, NORFOLK.
COLLETTE, YOU HAVE THE EMAIL FROM JULY THAT WE REACHED OUT TO
THE CIVIC LEAGUE AND REQUESTED TO GO TO THE MEETING?
>> IT'S IN THE (INAUDIBLE).
>> WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT, SIR?
>> NO RESPONSE.
>> MR.
SANTOS, YOU WISH TO SHARE ANYTHING?
>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO -- >> PLEASE.
>> I'M A BIG BELIEVER THAT AS A COMMUNITY, WHEN WE HAVE A SMALL
BUSINESS COMING TOGETHER AND GATHERING PEOPLE THAT COME TO
ENJOY A GOOD MEAL, I'M THE FIRST ONE TO BELIEVE THAT THE SITE
ALWAYS LOOKS GOOD.
EVER SINCE WE TOOK THAT RESTAURANT, IT HAS NOT CHANGED
WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE.
WHEN SOMEBODY COME AND EAT AND DRINK A GLASS OF WINE OR
SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOT OF YOU GUYS MAY BE ONE DAY GO FOR A DINNER
THAT, TAKE YOUR WIFE OUT, DRINK A GLASS OF WINE AND GO HOME.
WE'RE NOT A BAR.
WE'RE NOT A MUSIC PLACE.
IT'S A RESTAURANT LIKE YOU GO TO TO SIT DOWN AND EAT.
WE DON'T HAVE A DANCING PLACE.
I KNOW THAT BARS AND THINGS, PEOPLE OVERNIGHT TEND TO GET TOO
EXCITED.
I HAVE A DAUGHTER AND A WIFE AND WE GO HOME AT 8:00 AND WE JUST
PROVIDE FOOD, MOSTLY DURING THE DAY AT DINNERTIME, AND I DON'T
SEE WHY THAT WOULD AFFECT WHAT GOES ON AROUND.
I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
MS.
SIMPSON JONES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO
SAY AT THIS POINT, THE MICROPHONE IS YOURS, MA'AM.
>> YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE AREA WHERE HE SAYS HE SENT THE
EMAIL.
MY TELEPHONE -- WE SEND OUT FLYERS AND IF HE HAD COME TO OUR
MEETING AT THE NORMAL TIME, WE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO SPEAK
AT THE MEETING.
WE HAVE AN OPEN DOOR WHEN PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS, SO I HAVE NOT
RECEIVED THE EMAIL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY REACHED OUT TO US,
BUT OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN THE SAME SINCE I'VE BEEN PRESIDENT
FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
>> MS.
JONES, DO YOU HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS?
>> YES. >> IS IT MJONES176@COX.NET?
>> YES, IT IS.
>> BECAUSE ON AUGUST 1st, THEY SENT AN EMAIL TO YOU.
>> I HAVE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF MY EMAILS.
THAT'S HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS MEETING TODAY AND I CALLED
MISS COLLETTE ABOUT THAT, SO I RESEARCHED MY EMAILS.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.
COLLETTE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION?
THEY'RE UNCHANGED, RIGHT?
>> 8:00 P.M.
>> UNCHANGED, CORRECT, COLLETTE?
>> CORRECT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT, COMMISSIONERS?
MR.
NEWCOMB.
>> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE
APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE
STAFF REPORT.
MR.
HALES.
>> WHILE I UNDERSTAND MRS.
SIMPSON JONES' CONCERN, THIS IS CLEARLY STRICTLY A
RESTAURANT, NOT A BAR.
THEY'RE CLOSING AT 8:00 P.M.
I JUST -- I DON'T SEE ADDING ON ON-PREMISES ALCOHOL FOR A GLASS
OF WINE OR BEER DURING DINNER IS GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC THAT
MUCH WITH THE RESTAURANT TO AFFECT WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY
AND AS FAR AS WHERE IT'S OPERATING SUCCESSFULLY TODAY, SO
I DON'T SEE A BIG CHANGE WITH THAT.
WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, I VOTE AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> I CONCUR WITH MR.
HALES' ASSESSMENT OF THE ISSUE, AND I
VOTE YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE.
>> MR.
FRALEY.
>> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
GOOD LUCK.
NEXT ITEM, LENNY.
>> NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 5, 7-ELEVEN, FOR A SPECIAL
EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE SALES OF
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AT 1877
EAST OCEAN VIEW AVENUE, SUITE 1881.
>> THANK YOU, LENNY.
TO CHAIR ACKNOWLEDGES THERE'S NO OPPOSITION HERE IN FAVOR OF
APPLICATION.
YAVAD -- OH, I KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT OUR NEW FORMAT.
>> I NEED MY TIME TODAY.
>> I'M SORRY, CHRIS.
OLD HABITS DIE HARD.
>> EXACTLY.
I'M STILL GETTING USED TO IT.
MRS.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FROM 7-ELEVEN FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION
FOR SALE OF OFF-PREMISES ALCOHOL, AT 1877 EAST OCEAN VIEW
AVENUE, SUITE 1881.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST OCEAN VIEW AVENUE AT THE
CORNER OF EAST OCEAN VIEW AVENUE AND CAPE VIEW AVENUE AND THE
AREA IS DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE PROPOSAL IS FOR THE USE OF THE -- OR THE NEED FOR THE
SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS THAT THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN ON THE SITE IS
CHANGING THE MANAGEMENT, IT'S GOING FROM CORPORATELY OWNED TO
MANAGED BY A FRANCHISEE, SO THAT'S WHY THEY NEED A NEW
SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE ALCOHOL.
THE SITE IS ZONED C-2 CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL, AND IT ALLOWS
OFF-PREMISE ALCOHOL BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I WILL ALSO SAY THIS APPLICATION CAME THROUGH A YEAR AGO FOR A
NUMBER OF CHANGES.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND SITE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAME THROUGH, SO THE SITE HAS BEEN CLEANED UP
QUITE A BIT.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, FOR
THE CONVENIENCE STORE ASPECT OF IT, WHICH THEY HAVE A SPECIAL
EXCEPTION FOR.
FOR THE ALCOHOL, IT'S 6:00 A.M.
TO MIDNIGHT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UNCHANGED WITH THIS APPLICATION.
AND WE DID RECEIVE A -- JUST AN EMAIL OF NO OBJECTION FROM THE
COTTAGE LINES CIVIC LEAGUE FOR THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP.
I DID RECEIVE -- I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ON THE RECOVERED, BUT I
RECEIVED -- ON THE RECORD, BUT I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A
RESIDENT ACROSS THE STREET IN THE CONDOMINIUMS, MS.
ANNE LA PATINA AND SHE'S OPPOSED TO IT
BECAUSE OF THE ALCOHOL.
WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION WITH THE CONDITIONS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> CHRIS, THANK YOU.
THIS IS AN EXISTING 7-ELEVEN?
>> YES. >> AND WE'RE ONLY CHANGING FROM
CORPORATE OWNERSHIP TO FRANCHISEE.
>> YES, SIR.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF CHRIS, COMMISSIONERS?
CHAIR DOES WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MR.
-- AS I TRIED TO SAY BEFORE, JAVAD, HELP ME WITH THE LAST
NAME?
HORONSOM.
ANY COMMENTS, SIR?
>> NO, SIR.
>> THE CHAIR ACKNOWLEDGES NO OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION.
>> THE MOTION BEFORE YOU IS TO RECOMMEND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION
BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THE
STAFF REPORT.
MR.
HALES.
>> AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE. >> AND MR.
FRALEY.
>> AYE.
WE'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
GOOD LUCK.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE NOW NEW BUSINESS.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN
FOR THE LEIGH -- SENTARA LEIGH CANCER CENTER AT 6241 EAST
VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD AND SUSAN POLLOCK IS GOING TO
PRESENT THAT ITEM.
>> OKAY.
SO ON THE SCREEN IS A PHOTO OF THE SENTARA LEIGH CAMPUS.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KEMPS INDUSTRIAL AND
VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD.
IT IS AN IN-2, WHICH IS A CAMPUS INSTITUTIONAL, MEANING THAT IS A
CAMPUS OF AT LEAST TEN ACRES LARGE.
IN 2006, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WAS THE MASTER
PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT'S A LITTLE SMALL, BUT ON THE TOP OF
YOUR SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING THAT WAS PROPOSED HERE,
WHICH IS AS I MENTIONED DOWNSTAIRS WAS ORIGINALLY
PROPOSED FOR UP ON VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD, AND HOPEFULLY
YOU CAN SEE THE ENTRANCE THAT LEADS FROM VIRGINIA BEACH
BOULEVARD AND IT KIND OF CUTS DOWN THROUGH THE CAMPUS.
WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEIR NEW PLAN FOR THIS CANCER CENTER,
SOME THINGS CHANGED.
THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING CHANGED AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE
ROAD THAT LED KIND OF THROUGH THE CAMPUS WAS ELIMINATED.
SO THEY ARE REQUIRE TO COME IN AND AMEND THEIR INSTITUTIONAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE
DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS EXCEPT FOR ONE.
IN THE IN-2 DISTRICT, YOU'RE REQUIRE TO HAVE A 20-FOOT FRONT
YARD AND THAT WOULD BE ALONG VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD.
THEY ARE ONLY PROPOSING A TEN-FOOT.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK ALONG VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD, ALL OF
THE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA ARE ZONED C-2 AND THEY HAVE A
TEN-FOOT SETBACK, SO BY ALLOWING A TEN-FOOT SETBACK, THEY'RE
REALLY MATCHING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS THERE, SO THEY ARE
ALLOWED TO REQUEST A WAIVER FOR THAT, SO AS PART OF THIS
APPLICATION, THEY ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THEIR FRONT YARD.
THE CANCER CENTER IS 170,000-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING,
CONTAINS SEVERAL THINGS.
RADIATION, ONCOLOGY, DIAGNOSTIC IMAGING, BREAST CENTER AND A
CLINIC AND RESEARCH BASE.
IT IS A FOUR-STORY AND MASONRY GLASS BUILDING PROPOSED.
THIS IS A VIEW KINDA SORTA FROM VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD, FROM
THE EAST LOOKING ON, AND THIS IS LOOKING TO THE REAR.
THEY DO HAVE A RAIN GARDEN, I THINK THEY CALL IT, IN THE BACK.
THEY DO MEET -- ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE
INSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THAT THEY PROVIDE SOME OPEN
SPACE AND THEY DO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THEY ARE ALSO SIDEWALKS AROUND THE SITE TO PROVIDE FOR
PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, AND THEN AS I
MENTIONED, IN THE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2016, THEY DID SHOW
THAT STREET -- IN 2006, THEY DID SHOW THAT STREET THAT WAS
PROVIDING ACCESS INTERNALLY.
PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH SENTARA LEIGH IS THAT THEY DO
PROPOSE FURTHER EXPLANATION.
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING SOME ADDITIONAL
PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS
REMOVING ANOTHER BUILDING, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY
ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THEIR PLAN, BUT FOR NOW, WHAT WE WANTED TO
SEE WAS CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE THAT INTERSECTION IS NOT A GOOD
INTERSECTION.
SO WE DID WANT TO SEE SOME INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THIS
BUILDING AND THE SITE SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE SITE, GO
OUT ON TO PUBLIC ROADS AND COME BACK IN.
THEY HAVE SHOWN A CONCEPTUAL -- LET ME GET IT RIGHT, I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
THERE'S A LITTLE BLUE ARROW THAT LEADS FROM THE PARKING LOT TO
THE PARKING LOT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ACCESS THE SOUTHERN PORTION
OF THE CAMPUS.
WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT DOES ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY, SO
AS THEY GO THROUGH SITE PLAN, THEY CAN WORK THROUGH PUBLIC
WORKS TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS DOES WORK FOR THEM AND FOR US.
SO WITH THE CONDITIONS WHICH ARE THE ACCESS AND BUILDING IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE WAIVER THAT IS
REQUIRED, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SUPPORT OF THIS IDP.
>> SUSAN, TEN ACRES INCLUDES THE HOSPITAL SITE?
>> THE WHOLE CAMPUS.
>> WHOLE THING?
OKAY.
AND NOT JUST THE CANCER CENTER, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT, CORRECT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OF SUSAN, COMMISSIONERS?
>> THE MOTION BEFORE YOU IS TO RECOMMEND THAT THE INSTITUTIONAL
DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE REQUESTED WAIVER BE APPROVED.
MR.
HALES.
>> I WANT TO VOTE AYE, BUT I'LL ASK SUSAN WHEN THEY COME BACK TO
ACQUIRE THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM
ON THAT FEEDER LANE PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES BACK THROUGH AGAIN.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET RID OF THAT WHOLE PROBLEM IN THAT AREA,
BUT I VOTE AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> I'LL ECHO MR.
HALES' CONCERNS AND VOTE AYE.
>> MR.
FRALEY.
>> FOR THE THIRD TIME, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST SPACE IN
VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD THAT HAS THAT FEEDER LANE, AND IT'S
KIND OF DANGEROUS, SO IF THEY CAN INCORPORATE SOME WAY, SHAPE
OR FORM, DOING SOMETHING TO ERADICATE THAT UNSAFETINESS,
MAKE ME HAPPY, BUT I VOTE AYE.
>> DIFFICULTY WITH THAT IS IT'S PART OF A LARGER PORTION --
>> YEAH, I KNOW.
>> -- VDOT PLANS.
ITEM NUMBER 2, LAFAYETTE BOULEVARD PCRO DISTRICT
DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATE.
THIS IS FOR 2701 LAFAYETTE BOULEVARD, CONVERTING A
COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THIS
WILL BE PRESENTED BY SUSAN POLLOCK.
>> OKAY.
SO THIS IS A SITE THAT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF
LAFAYETTE BOUFLD AND LENS AVENUE.
AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
HOWEVER, IN ITS FORMER LIFE IT WAS COMMERCIAL.
THE COMMERCIAL CEASED AND THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY
AND WAS MADE AWARE HE HAD TO USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.
IT IS IN AN OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES A DEVELOPMENT
CERTIFICATE WHEN YOU MAKE MODIFICATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY CONVERTING A BUILDING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL
KICKS YOU INTO THE DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATE.
SO THE APPLICANT CAME BEFORE YOU WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE
BUILDING.
AGAIN, THIS WAS A TRICKY ONE BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNING A
COMMERCIAL BUILDING INTO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
YOU ALL REFERRED IT TO THE ARB, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
THIS IS SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE NOW.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE ARB FINALLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AFTER
MULTIPLE VISITS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE ARB, SO IT
WOULD TURN -- WOULD INDEED TURN THIS COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE INTO A
RESIDENTIAL.
YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL DOORS, WINDOWS ON THE SIDE WHERE THERE
WAS A COMMERCIAL WINDOW, YOU'VE GOT THAT TURNED BACK INTO A
RESIDENTIAL-STYLE WINDOW.
ADDITIONAL WINDOWS WERE ADDED ON THE SIDE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE
KIND OF THE LITTLE PICTURE IS WHERE THERE WAS A GARAGE DOOR
AND THAT WILL BE TURNED INTO AN ACTUAL DOOR, RESIDENTIAL, AND
THEN A WINDOW ADDED AS WELL.
THIS WAS AFTER MANY MONTHS OF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND
THE ARB DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO FORWARD THAT TO YOU, SO NOW
IT IS BEFORE YOU AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATE FOR THAT
OVERLAY.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A FAIRLY DECENT PRODUCT OUT OF WHAT WE
STARTED WITH.
WE ALSO WILL BE REQUIRING HIM TO PUT SOME LANDSCAPING IN THE
FRONT, ADD A TREE, AND THERE'S ANOTHER CONDITION ABOUT
NARROWING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR.
I THINK IT'S 30 FEET NOW AND WE WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO NARROW THE
APRON TO 20 FEET AS RESIDENTIAL STYLE.
WE WANT IT TO GO DOWN TO 20, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.
SO WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT THE
APPLICATION BE APPROVED.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MS.
POLLOCK, COMMISSIONERS?
THANK YOU.
LENNY.
>> THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND THE LAFAYETTE BOULEVARD PCRO
DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATE BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONS
CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
MR.
HALES.
>> AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE. >> AND MR.
FRALEY.
>> AYE.
I WISH YOU LUCK WITH THAT.
I HAD SOME EMOTIONAL CHALLENGES, I GUESS, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME
BEFORE US, BUT I DO VOTE AYE AND I WISH YOU THE BEST WITH US.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THE THIRD ITEM THAT WE HAVE FOR NEWBORNS IS A VOTE BY THE
PLANNING COMMISSION TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON
OCTOBER 17th, 2017, AT 6:00 P.M.
IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 11th FLOOR, CITY HALL BUILDING,
CIVIC CENTER, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, TO ESSENTIAL SI CONSIDER THE
ADOPTION -- ESSENTIALLY CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF A REVISED ZONING
ORDINANCE AND JEREMY IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THIS.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> HAVE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT
THIS?
I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT JUST TO CATCH YOU UP, MR.
HALES, I'LL WALK THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.
JUST THE BACKGROUND, WE HAVE BEEN DOING WORK ON THE ZONING
ORDINANCE SINCE 2014, SO WE'RE THREE YEARS IN.
WE HAVE HAD MANY, MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE TALKED TO LOTS OF DIFFERENT GROUPS, INCLUDING
OUTSIDE GROUPS -- THESE AREN'T ALL THE PLANNING -- I TALKED TO
YOU GUYS LOTS ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO LOTS OF OUTSIDE
MEETINGS AS WELL.
THE OVER 350 PEOPLE NUMBER IS MISLEADING.
WE HAVE TALKED TO PROBABLY SEVERAL THOUSAND PEOPLE THROUGH
ALL THOSE MEETINGS, BUT THE SEVEN OR EIGHT MEETINGS WE'VE
HOSTED, WE HAD ACTUALLY PRETTY DECENT TURNOUT, BUT SOME OF THEM
I DON'T HAVE ATTENDANCE FIGURES FOR THEM.
IT'S TIME TO START WRAPPING THINGS UP.
WE HAVE THREE REMAINING TASKS.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING OUR OUTREACH, THAT'S BEEN GOING
ON THROUGH THE SUMMER, AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE, BY LAW, A
PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING AND A CITY COUNCIL
PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO LONG STORY SHORT, NOT GOING TO GO INTO DETAILS ON THE PUBLIC
NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS
OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK.
WE ARE DOING THIS, SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WE EXPECTED
GOING IN, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE
ARE LOOKING TO ADOPT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BASIC ORDINANCE AT
THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND THEN FOLLOW UP IN 2018, WE'LL DO A
COUPLE OF EXTRA PIECES.
AS WE WORK THROUGH, I THINK THOSE EXTRA PIECES ARE GOING TO
BE ONLY A HANDFUL, BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT BECAUSE OF
NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE SEPARATELY
AND WE'LL FOLLOW ON WITH THAT.
SO JUST TO COVER OUR OUTREACH, WE ARE INTENDING SEVERAL METHODS
OF OUTREACH PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THESE WOULD INCLUDE ONLINE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO ASK
US QUESTIONS, TO FIND OUT ON THEIR OWN WHAT THE ZONING
ORDINANCE MIGHT MEAN TO THEM.
THEY WOULD INCLUDE EMAIL AND PHONE.
SEVERAL OPEN HOUSES THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HOLD AND IN-PERSON
OFFICE HOURS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY.
THE GOAL OF ALL OF THIS IS TO REALLY LET PEOPLE KNOW,
EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM, NOT SO MUCH GIVE YOU ALL
THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, BUT TO FIND OUT
THAT -- WHAT THE ZONING CHANGES WILL MEAN TO YOU IN PARTICULAR
TO REALLY TARGET AND PERSONALIZE THIS, AND THAT'S WHY SETTING UP
THIS PROCESS IS TO INFORM BUT ALSO TO REALLY LET PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY -- WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS TO
THEM.
SO WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT IS ACTUALLY THE REASON WHY I'M STANDING UP HERE TALKING TO
YOU, SO WE ARE INTENDING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER
17th, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17th, TO ALLOW PLANNING COMMISSION TO
COLLECT INPUT.
THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWED UP THEN, OUR INTENTION IS IN JANUARY,
WITH A CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN HOPEFULLY
ADOPTION EARLY 2018 OF A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS TO SET THAT PUBLIC
HEARING FOR THE -- THE SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLANNING
COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 17th.
THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING IS TO REPEAL THE EXCISION ZONING
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE AND WE WOULD SET IT
FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17th, AT 6:00 P.M.
IN THIS ROOM.
>> THANK YOU, JEREMY.
ANY QUESTIONS OF MR.
SHARP, COMMISSIONERS?
WITH THAT, MR.
NEWCOMB.
>> THE MOTION IS TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON
OCTOBER 17th, 2017, AT 6:00 P.M., CITY COUNCIL
CHAMBERS, 11th FLOOR, CITY HALL BUILDING, CIVIC CENTER, NORFOLK,
VIRGINIA.
MR.
HALES.
>> AYE.
>> MS.
AUSTIN.
>> YES.
>> MR.
MURPHY.
>> AYE.
>> DR.
NEUMANN.
>> AYE.
>> MR.
FRALEY.
>> AYE.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, JEREMY, THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE COMMISSION?
>> NO, MR.
CHAIR.
>> GEORGE.
>> NO, MR.
CHAIR.
>> COMMISSIONERS, ANY -- >> ONE SMALL NOTE.
YOU DO HAVE PUT AT YOUR DESK THE RECORDED RESTRICTIONS.
MR.
MILLER APPEARED EARLIER AT THIS MEETING AND WHAT HE FELT
WAS HE WAS COMPELLED TO SHOW YOU THAT HE HAD DONE WHAT HE
PROMISED TO DO.
HE GAVE ME THE COPIES AND HE LEFT, AND I PROMISED I WOULD
TELL YOU ALL THAT THEY WERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> WE DO HAVE THEM AND SO NOTED.
THANK YOU, LENNY.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY COMMENTS?
HEARING NONE, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
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