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We're looking at the progressive history of public education.

Let's do it.

Thanks for watching No King But Christ.

I'm Adam Graham.

I have to admit that, until recently, I had never looked in depth into the history of

public education in America.

As with so many other institutions that we are familiar with and that have existed as

long as we can remember, we often take them for granted as having always been the way

they are.

But that's almost never actually the case and public education is no exception.

The state of publicly funded and run education has a long progressive tradition that extends

right to the founding era so let's take a look at how it's changed since then.

English and Early Colonial Public Education

Throughout many of the American colonies, education was the duty of the parent, as was

the English tradition.

The only public schools that existed, where they existed, were for the benefit of the

poor.

The major exception, as in many cases in American political history, was in New England.

In 1642, the Massachusetts Bay colony enacted a compulsory literacy law, breaking with the

English tradition.

It soon followed in 1647 with legislation requiring larger settlements to ordain the

hiring of teachers or founding of grammar schools.

The rationale undergirding these laws seems to have been a Puritan/Calvinist emphasis

on literacy for the proper reading of scripture and while to many Christians their motives

will seem pure and well meaning the implication throughout is also one of ensuring a Calvinist

perspective over others.

This bears itself out in some of the prevailing conditions wherein it was passed.

For instance, the Plymouth colony, an older and more religiously tolerant colony, did

not pass similar compulsory education laws.

As well, the Massachusetts Bay colony required attendance to a Congregational church and

only church members, of which membership was heavily restricted and regulated, could vote

in state elections.

This spirit and legislative tradition began to spread to Connecticut and other New England

states.

As religious diversity grew in New England, groups like the Quakers were discriminated

against and even forbidden from establishing schools.

Compulsory Education: Modern Slavery

In true Puritan fashion, Massachusetts once again led the charge in the furthering of

force in education.

In 1780, it granted legislative authority to enforce compulsory school attendance and

in 1789 that compulsion was enacted into law.

Connecticut also enacted similar legislation in 1842.

And throughout the 19th century, Massachusetts continued to up the ante against truancy,

to the extent of mandatory jailing of habitually truant children, and steadily extended educational

age and school year terms.

But though the Puritan underpinnings of public education began in New England, by 1850, all

states in the Union had a network of public schools.

The continuation of compulsory education also tracked behind New England but by 1900, almost

every state had some form of compulsory attendance.

It is my particular focus in this video to review the history of American public education

and not to disect too deeply the philosophical issues that undergird it.

But I can imagine that many will find the notion of compulsory education laws largely

unoffensive.

Suffice it to say that the notion that a child can be forced, and their parents along with

them, to pursue education that they do not desire at the subjective decision of another

is certainly not a liberal idea and a rather un-American one that was resisted elsewhere

in the Union until the end of the 19th century.

It is here that we see the influence of what is referred to as the "Prussian model".

Those familiar with many of the programs that mar American history in the early 20th century

will be familiar with the great influence which Prussian society had on the early progressives.

The Prussian model for education included compulsory attendance, permitted private schooling

only in the case that government school committee requirements were met, and established truant

schools to which truant children would be sent and possibly committed to by the courts.

The Educationist Movement

It may be noted that some well revered founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson supported some

form of publically funded education, at the very least for the poor.

Their reasoning was often that a literate and educated public was more likely to function

well within a republican form of government.

But from the very beginning of the Union, one can trace a line of succession of influential

figures who wished to use education not only to create good citizens but to inculcate their

preferred perspective on religion, authority, and the state.

One early and prescient example is that of Archibald Murphey, regarded as the founding

father of the North Carolina school system.

As early as 1816, his system envisioned that:

"all children will be taught in them...in these schools the precepts of morality and

religion should be inculcated, and habits of subordination and obedience be formed....

The state, in the warmth of her solicitude for their welfare, must take charge of those

children, and place them in school where their minds can be enlightened and their hearts

can be trained to virtue."

This mentality, previously noted as being particularly strong in New England, is an

early example of the way that progressivism has migrated and continues to migrate from

power centers to the other states, with large migrations of New Englanders emigrating to

the south and west starting in the 1820's.

This influence quickly gave rise to a group of influential education advocates known as

the Educationists.

Among their ranks were such well known names as Horace Mann, Calvin Stowe, Caleb Mills,

Samuel Lewis, and Henry Barnard.

Throughout the 19th century, their goals were to establish journals and publications meant

to influence education policy and teacher's schools and many of them successfully gained

political positions as heads of the public school boards in their states.

Their vision of the future of public education was firmly rooted in Communist ideals of forced

egalitarianism and the Prussian ideals of uniformity of language, compulsory attendance,

and anti-truant regulation.

This is also the origination of eventual removal of neutrality within the classroom in regards

to controversial material.

We are often told that because of the nature of public funding for public schools, educators

must not favor one viewpoint over another.

And as long as education was not compulsory, this neutrality was highly influential in

gaining voluntary attendance by otherwise wary parents.

But with the late nineteenth century adoption of compulsory attendance, this neutrality

no longer served a market purpose and was steadily shed, as many critics of public education

today can attest to.

Education: The Conservative Blind Spot

Among the many institutions of American civic life that progressive politics has left a

lasting impression on, education ranks near the top.

Many landmark changes in the traditional practices found in schools can be found in common refrains

from many conservatives who remember a farer time.

From the prohibition of corporal punishment, the removal of prayer, the Scopes Trial and

other similar cases of conflict regarding evolution and creationism as part of public

school curriculum, to the more current disagreements regarding sex education, standardized testing

and Common Core, many conservatives will easily find something not to like about the state

of public education today.

And yet, despite these various objections and intrusions into the preferences of so

many parents and educators, the proposed solutions are rarely ever the obvious: the drastic transition

out of publicly funded education.

A thriving marketplace full of educational options that span the gamut of consumer and

parental preferences would completely eliminate the incessant nationalization, standardization,

and politicalization of education in America.

And the increased range of choices would introduce completely new and competitive forces into

the educational landscape that would change the face of the education industry for the

better.

But education remains America's civic religion and the conflicts around public education

reveal the progressive streak in both political parties.

As strong a sentiment as the progressive desire may be for the universal removal of the teaching

of creationism from the science classroom, so strong is the similar desire for the universal

inclusion of such curriculum.

Partisans from both sides believe so strongly that their approach is necessary for future

generations that they cannot allow dissent from their desired policy, with the effective

outcome being that neither can ever truly realize their preference!

The Bottom Line As long as the state retains control of such

a fundamental aspect of society as the education of its youth, and so long as the direction

of that education is democratized, education will remain a source of conflict between communities,

to the benefit of politicians everywhere and to the detriment of students.

Be sure to like and share this video and let us know in the comments below what your education

was like or how you've decided to educate your children.

And don't forget to subscribe and follow No King But Christ to make sure you never

miss a video.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think it's about time for my daughter's homeschool

reading lesson.

Thanks for watching.

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Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session - Duration: 1:56.

Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session

WASHINGTON AP — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was back on the Supreme Court bench on Tuesday, eight weeks after surgery for lung cancer.

Wearing her customary black robe and ornamental collar, the 85 year old justice walked unassisted to her seat beside Chief Justice John Roberts when the court began its public session. Ginsburg smiled as the justices stood before taking their seats, but no mention was made in the courtroom of the fact that she was returning after an absence.

As she often does, Ginsburg asked the first question during the hourlong argument, and nothing about her appearance or demeanor seemed out of the ordinary. She went on to speak about a half dozen times. The case the court was hearing involves a 2011 patent law, the Leahy Smith America Invents Act, with the justices being asked to answer whether the United States Postal Service counts as a "person" under the law.

Ginsburgs first question was to attorney Beth Brinkmann, who was arguing for Alabama based Return Mail Inc. The company owns a patent that was invalidated after a challenge by the Postal Service. Ginsburg wanted clarity on Brinkmanns argument in the case. Later, Ginsburg asked attorney Malcolm Stewart, arguing for the government on behalf of the Postal Service, why it would be that the government is treated differently under the law, with the government getting "two bites of the apple" while "everybody else gets just one."

It was not clear how the case would come out, with both liberal and conservative justices seeming unsatisfied by arguments on both sides.

Ginsburg had returned to the Supreme Court building on Friday for the first time since her surgery in December, but that was for the justices private conference. She also was captured on camera on Monday by the TMZ website walking through a Washington airport.

Ginsburg was absent from the court in January as she recovered from the surgery. She missed six days on which the court heard a total of eleven arguments. But the court said she participated in the courts work during her absence.

The court will hear one more argument on Wednesday before hearing cases again on three days next week.

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Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session - Duration: 2:29.

Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session

WASHINGTON AP — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was back on the Supreme Court bench on Tuesday, eight weeks after surgery for lung cancer.

It was not clear how the case would come out, with both liberal and conservative justices seeming unsatisfied by arguments on both sides.

The court will hear one more argument on Wednesday before hearing cases again on three days next week.

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Milford Public Schools Chromebook Overview Video - Duration: 6:07.

Welcome to the Milford Public Schools Chromebook Overview video. In this video

we're going to show you all about your new Chromebook - so let's get started.

Your Chromebook has ports for peripherals, storage cards and more. On this side we

have a headphone or external speaker port, a micro SD card slot, one of the two

USB ports that are found on the Chromebook, as well as the USB Type-C

port. The USB-C port is very important as this is where you charge your Chromebook.

There are two of these ports on the Chromebook and either one can be

utilized for charging. On the other side of the Chromebook we have a lock port,

another USB C port which can be used for charging and another USB port.

Your Chromebook also has a built-in webcam and microphone located at the top of the screen.

The built-in speakers are located on the bottom of the Chromebook.

Ok so, how do you turn the thing on? The power button is located above the backspace key.

Like other portable computers, the Chromebook uses a TouchPad to manipulate

the on-screen cursor. Just like those other portable computers, the TouchPad

has several gestures to make navigation quick and easy. The first gesture is

tapping - tap one finger to make a selection, tap two fingers to get options

about a selection. You can scroll by sliding two fingers up and down or left

and right, as well as sliding three fingers left to right to scroll between

your open tabs in Chrome. The keys along the top of the keyboard possess special

functionality. These keys are known as Action Keys. These keys do things like

escape from a screen, go back and forward, reload a page, go fullscreen, display all

of the open apps, turn your brightness up and down, as well as mute the speakers.

So, let's go over some of the general care and precautions for your Chromebook.

Do not place anything on top of the Chromebook. When transporting always

carry the Chromebook in the bag. As far as charging, your Chromebook can be

actively used without the need to recharge for about 8 hours. Please charge

the Chromebook overnight to ensure it will have the maximum battery life for

the next day. When not in use or being charged, your Chromebook should be stored

in its bag. Let's talk about cleaning your Chromebook. When cleaning any part

of the Chromebook make sure your Chromebook is powered down. Never spray

or pour liquid directly on any part of the device. As far as cleaning the screen,

the screen should be cleaned with a microfiber cloth. Do not use excessive

force. Allow the screen to dry before closing the lid.

Never use an alcohol or ammonia-based cleaner on the screen. You can clean the

keyboard with a lightly moistened soft cloth or wipe and just wipe the key top

surface only. Ensure no liquid drips between the keys. To clean the outer

Chromebook casing, a lightly moistened soft cloth or white can be used to wipe the

outside of the Chromebook. Do not allow any liquid to drip into the ports of the

device. For information about caring for and cleaning your Chromebook, please

check the Milford Public Schools Guide To Your Chromebook document. The link is

located in the video description. Alright, so let's get logged in. Turn on

your Chromebook, click Next and then enter your district username in the

enter your email box. The @ students that Milford a.org portion is automatically

filled out. Now, enter your password, click Next and here we go. The bottom bar that

holds the Apps Launcher, pinned app shortcut icons and the Status Bar is

known as The Shelf. The circle in the bottom left corner is known as the

Apps Launcher. Clicking it will pull up a search menu that you can use to quickly

find an app. If you click the upwards arrow all available apps will be

displayed.

Clicking a pinned app shortcut icon will launch that app. Clicking the icon again

will minimize it.

To pin an app to the shortcut area, locate the app you want to pin in the

Apps Launcher, then right-click it (that's a two finger tap on the touchpad) on the

app you want to pin and select pin to shelf.

Thee bottom-right area of the screen is known as the Status Area. This Status

Area lets you see your network connection status, battery life, which

account is logged in and more. Clicking on the Status Area pulls up a menu that

can be expanded or collapsed to show more or less information.

The Status Area is where you sign out of the Chromebook, shut down the Chromebook

view your Wi-Fi connection information, as well as connect to another Wi-Fi

network, check your battery percentage and time left, see today's date, adjust

volume settings, adjust brightness settings, adjust notification settings

enable or disable the nightlight, this setting makes the screen easier to see

in dim light, cast your screen to a compatible device or enable and disable

Bluetooth. To connect your home or other Wi-Fi, click the status area in the

bottom right corner of the screen. Ff you're in the smaller, collapsed view,

click the upwards arrow to expand to the full view. Click not connected and select the

Wi-Fi network you want to connect to. If it is a secure network you'll be

prompted for your Wi-Fi password. Your Chromebook can be used offline without

an internet connection. All you have to do is enable the offline setting. Go to

your Google Drive, then click the gear in the upper right corner and select

settings. Click the check box that says sync Google Docs Sheets Slides and

Drawings files to this computer so that you can edit offline in the offline area,

then click done. This only needs to be done one time, but it must be done while

you're still connected to the Internet. To sign out of your Chromebook without

powering it off, click on the Status Area, select sign out. To shut down the

Chromebook you can click on the Status Area and select shut down. You can also press

and hold the power button on the upper- right corner of the keyboard above

backspace until the Chromebook powers down. To access downloaded files, click

the Apps Launcher button in the lower- left corner of the screen. Click the

upwards arrow to display all apps then click files.

To customize your Chromebook's wallpaper, move your cursor to the shelf. Do a

two-finger tap on the TouchPad and then click set wallpaper. Select the wallpaper

you'd like to use.

So, here's some of those cool Chromebook keyboard shortcuts that I mentioned

earlier. As you can see, you can do things like take a screenshot, lock your screen,

sign out of your account, and then there's all sorts of really cool text

editing keyboard shortcut, too.

We hope that this video has gotten you off to a good start with your Chromebook.

Check the video description for useful links.

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Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session - Duration: 1:59.

Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session

WASHINGTON AP — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was back on the Supreme Court bench on Tuesday, eight weeks after surgery for lung cancer.

It was not clear how the case would come out, with both liberal and conservative justices seeming unsatisfied by arguments on both sides.

The court will hear one more argument on Wednesday before hearing cases again on three days next week.

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Division of Developmental Disabilities Public Service Announcement - Duration: 0:46.

- [Narrator] The Division of Developmental Disabilities

or DDD, supports people of all ages with cerebral palsy,

epilepsy, intellectual disabilities, and autism.

DDD also supports those age zero to six

who are at risk for these diagnoses.

To find out if you or your family member

is eligible for DDD services and supports,

visit the Department of Economic Security

online at des.az.gov/DDD,

or call 1-844-770-9500.

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Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session - Duration: 1:56.

Ginsburg returns to Supreme Court bench in public session

WASHINGTON AP — Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was back on the Supreme Court bench on Tuesday, eight weeks after surgery for lung cancer.

It was not clear how the case would come out, with both liberal and conservative justices seeming unsatisfied by arguments on both sides.

The court will hear one more argument on Wednesday before hearing cases again on three days next week.

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Public Speaking Disasters and How to Fix Them - Duration: 4:48.

Three events in the last two weeks and this is how they started. First one:

"I'm a horrible public speaker...I'm not good at this at all...I really dread

this stuff so please bear with me..." Second one: "I hope I don't take up too much of

your valuable time..." Yeah, me neither. Third one: "Oh that's how the clicker

works? Look at that! Well the organizer gave me this topic,

but I don't really know that much about it...

Hopefully I came up with something good enough for you guys for today..." Wait, what?

Three events over the last two weeks and that's how they start? Now I'm on my

mission to help people show up, engage, and connect and these were

prime examples of "connection killers." Now, I have to admit as I was watching these

speakers I thought, "Well, at least it's fodder for a video, Erin." But then I

thought--no way, Captain Obvious, I can't go on a video and say don't start your

speech like this, everyone knows that! But then I thought, well, if it happened three

times in the last two weeks for me, lord knows how often it's happening out there

so today I don't want to go in depth and how to do a public speech, but what I do

want to talk about is how to start your talk to be able to show up with power, to

engage your audience, and to create a connection. So first things first...you all

have probably heard this that your audience is rooting for you. They want to

learn from you. They drove from wherever. They're there attending the conference.

They're there in that meeting room waiting to hear what you have to say. And

they're rooting for you like champs, but then it can turn like this. And what's

going to make them turn on a dime is if you: waste their time, you're not prepared,

and you insult their intelligence. And this is what happened with those three

examples. Let's take the first one, the woman who said that, "Oh I'm a horrible

public speaker." What was really interesting is that she was actually

interesting, informative and her topic was really amazing! So

instead of thinking "I'm a bad public speaker" think: I'm here to share my

expertise. If she had owned her expertise and forgot that

first part we never would have thought that she was uncomfortable up speaking

in front of us. Second person, the whole oh I hope I'm not taking up too much of

your time. We're here, listening to you. So when you start your talk, own the space

command the room, and take that time. Now less is probably more, but if you are

powerful in two minutes or you're powerful in 20 minutes, there's no need to

apologize or to plant that seed that you're not going to be a valuable use of

their time. And the third one. The whole being cutesy and funny and

self-deprecating...Well two things on this one. First,

be prepared. Learn how to learn how to use the clicker. Know how to use their

technology. Know what you're going to say. The second one is with the humor

piece...self-deprecating humor isn't funny if it's not true. This woman had a

master's degree, she had amazing experience, and you're trying to tell me

that you can't figure out how to use a clicker? It was unbelievable. It broke the

authenticity and it made me disconnect from her because I thought she's just

putting on an act. Why am I going listen to anything else

she has to say? So in this day and age that everyone is gonna be a professional

public speaker but in my opinion everyone is a public speaker. You go to a

meeting at work and you answer a question--you're public speaking. You go to

a networking event and you talk to someone, you're public speaking. So it

really does matter how you show up with your presence. How you engage right from

the beginning, and how you make that connection. Be prepared. Don't insult

your audience's intelligence, and third make sure that you're making a good use

of their time by showing up with your expertise. My name is Erin O'Malley and

I am on my mission to help people show up, engage, and connect. You can find me at

erinomalleyconnects.com and I look forward to connecting with you soon!

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HF1061 is heard in House public safety division 2/19/19 - Duration: 47:31.

FOR YOUR CITIZEN VOLUNTEER WORK ON THE DWI TASK FORCE. >> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU >> CHAIR MARIANI: CHAIR LESCH;

WE HAVE HOUSE FILE 1061..

CHAIR LESCH I BELIEVE YOUR MOTION IS TO HAVE HOUSE FILE 106

0 1B RE-REFERRED TO THE

TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH: YES MR. CHAIR THAT IS MY MOTION >> CHAIR MARIANI: VERY WELL.

REPRESENTATIVE LESCH YOUR BILL IS BEFORE US. THE MOTION

TO BE REFERRED TO

TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE

REPRESENTATIVE LESCH >> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.I THINK

MY TESTIFIERTO THIS

MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN. HOWEVER; I WOULD

NOTE THAT THIS BILL

STOPS DRIVERS

LICENSE SUSPENSION WHEN THE ONLY VIOLATION IS

TRAFFIC TICKETS AND ILLUMINATES THE ADDITIONAL SUSPENSION PERIOD

[INAUDIBLE

] OF PEOPLE WHO PAY THEIR FINES CAN YOU BACK TO WORK AND MAINTAINS A COLLECTION PROCESS. IT ALSO I

WOULD NOTE DOES NOT IMPACT SUSPENSIONS FOR DWI RECKLESS DRIVING OR

HABITUAL OFFENDERS.

BUT NOTING THAT MY TESTIFIERS CAN SPEAK IS BETTER

THAN ME I WOULD ASK YOU TO

PUT THEM TO SPEAK TO THIS. >> CHAIR MARIANI: VERY WELL CHAIR LESCH. WEBER WANTS TO START BEGIN JUST

INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR

THE RECORD AND BEGIN

YOUR TESTIMONY. >> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS LEAH JACKSON.

[INAUDIBLE] I LIVE

IN MINNEAPOLIS. I'M A SERVER BARTENDER AND OURS DAN

CE INSTRUCTOR.. THANK FOR THE CHANCE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS DRIVING SUSPENSION

HAVE CAUSED

SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON ME BOTH FINANCIALLY AND OCCUPATIONAL. SO BACK IN 2014 IN OCTOBER I WAS TAKING A LEFT TURN AT A GREEN LIGHT

AND I PULLED OUT INTO

THE INTERSECTION LIKE I WAS TAUGHT HOW

TO DO AND I WAS WAITING FOR THE

BREAKING TRAFFIC GIVING ME THE TIME TO TURN

BUT AS THE LIGHT TURNED YELLOW EVERYONE STARTED SPEED UP AND DID NOT GIVE ME THAT TIME. SO WHEN I WAS SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION UNTIL I WAS ABLE TO GO. WHEN THE LIGHT WAS

ALREADY READ. I WAS PULLED OVER IMMEDIATELY AND I WAS

TOLD THAT THAT WAS ILLEGAL.

I WAS GIVEN A TICKET FOR OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE SQUARE BOX.

ORIGINALLY THAT WAS $135 TICKET WAS 20 AT

THE TIME. I JUST GOT A

NEW JOB AS A STORE MANAGER

. I WAS ACTUALLY IN ROCHESTER ON TRAINING. SO I WASN'T EVEN HOME. I WAS

DRIVING BACK TO THE HOTEL WHEN IT HAPPENED AND I JUST MOVED INTO MY VERY OWN APARTMENT FOR THE

FIRST TIME.

I HAD NOT GOT THE FIRST PAYCHECK YET AND I HAD TO PAY FOR RENT IT A LOT

MORE RESPONSIBILITY THAN I HAD EVER BEEN USED TOO.

I WAS GOING TO WAIT A LITTLE TO BE MY TICKET

TO JUST GET MY FEET ON

THE GROUND.. I DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TIME LIMIT

ON IT. SO THE

FOLLOWING FEBRUARY WAS PULLED OVER AND TOLD THAT MY LICENSE WAS SUSPENDED. I HAVE

BEEN GIVEN A

SUSPENSION TICKET. IF I REMEMBER IT

WAS LIKE 280 SOMETHING OTHER THAN I ENDED UP PAYING A LOT LESS

THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD

HAVE BEEN. THEN I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT

SUSPENSION. SINCE THEN COME I

JUST MOVED

[INAUDIBLE] MY DRIVERS LICENSE WAS AT MY PARENTS ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY

MAILING ADDRESS AND I NEVER GOT NOTIFICATION.

SO I HAD NO IDEA I WAS SUSPENDED UNTIL I WAS

PULLED OVER. NOW ABOUT $500

IN FINES; BY MIDDLE

OF FEBRUARY WHEN I GET MY TAX RETURN THAT'S ONE OF THE PAY EVERYTHING BACK

I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO GO

-- ACTUALLY CAN HOL

D ON >> TESTIFIER: IF AND I STILL HAD TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY SO I KEPT DRIVING.

PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES AT WORK

IS THE STORE MANAGER WAS BANK RUNS THAT I HAD A COUPLE

DIFFERENT DELIVERY RESPONSIBILITIES THAT

I HAD

AS A TUXEDO AND FROM STORE. SO WITHIN ABOUT 2 WEEKS OF THAT

FIRST DRIVING TICKET I GOT 2 MORE

THAN ONE FOR DRIVING TO THE BANK AND ONE FOR DRIVING TO MY

2ND JOB AS A DANCE INSTRUCTOR. SO AT

THAT POINT I HAD TO ASK FRIENDS TO DRIVE ME TO THE BANKUNITED TO ASK FRIENDS TO JOIN ME TO WORK

JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THAT MUCH TIME BETWEEN JOBS TO

TAKE BUSES

LIKE A 2 HOUR BUS DR. SO THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME AT THE TIME. THEN; ON DAYS WHEN

I WASN'T A STORE MANAGER IT WAS

VERY STRESSFUL.I COULD NEVER REALLY VISIT MY FAMILY

WHICH WAS ABOUT 45 MINUTES AWAY. FINALLY WITH MY TAX RETURN CAME BACK I ACTUALLY WENT

TO COURT AND TALK TO MY HEARING OFFICER

AND 3 DRIVING AFTER

SUSPENSION [INAUDIBLE] WENT FROM 900 SPEAK TO 2 600S WAS GRATEFUL FOR THAT AT THE TIME BUT I PAID IT OFF AND WAS ABLE TO GET MY LICENSE BACK. BUT THAT'S

NOT WHERE THE PROBLEMS

AND APPEARED [INAUDIBLE] MY AUTO INSURANCE COMPANY HAD DROPPED TO ME

IT IS A CLIENT AND AFTER COMEDIES

AND COMPANIES

ARE TRYING TO GET QUOTES AND STUFF;

THEY DIDN'T ACCEPT ME AT ALL OR NOTHING LESS FOR $1000 A MONTH.

SO LUCKILY NOW

THIS TIME I WAS A SERVICE OF IS

CONNECTED THROUGH A BROKER THROUGH A CUSTOMER

ACTUALLY AN INSURANCE BROKER. HE WAS ABLE TO GET ME INSURANCE

FOR 350 WHICH I WAS VERY HAPPY AT THE

TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS 3 AND 50 LESSON OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT

NOW IT'S 4.5 YEARS LATER. I FINALLY

GOT IT DOWN TO $200

A MONTH. WHICH TO ME IS ACTUALLY PRETTY

GREAT CONSIDERING 650 WAS WHAT I WAS PAIN AT THE TIME. NOW AFTER THESE 4.5 YEARS

ALL OF THE FEES AND FINES ARE PAID AND ALL

THE INSURANCE THAT

ARE PAID IT'S JUST UNDER $16;000.

I PAID JUST BECAUSE OF THAT ONE TICKET THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF I HAD A LITTLE TIME TO PAY IT.

THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU

MS. JACKSON FOR

YOUR TESTIMONY. I DON'T THINK

FRANCE KAFKA GOOD WRITTEN A MORE

[INAUDIBLE] WORST TALE OF YOURS.

>> [LAUGHING]

REPRESENTATIVE LESCH

CHAIR LESCH >> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH:

>> TESTIFIER: MR. MEMBERS OF

THE COMMITTEE ON

THE MINNEAPOLIS CRIMINAL DEPUTY

IN ANNAPOLIS

[INAUDIBLE]; MISDEMEANOR PROSECUTOR FOR 21 YEARS BUT I SAW THE OFFICE

1997 AND OUR OFFICE WE ALWAYS DO MISDEMEANOR

PROSECUTIONS ADULTS COUNTY ATTORNEY DOES NOT ONLY SEND YOU WORK AND I'M HERE

TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF MY OFFICE AND

I'VE HAD MEDICATIONS WITH THE ST. PAUL CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL AND I KNOW THEY SUPPORT THIS BILL

AND HAVE WORKED WITH US

IN PARTNER BUT I'M HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF

THIS BILL. I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE

THAT TYING

DRIVING PRIVILEGES TO

FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS CONSISTENTLY DOES NOT WORK.

WE HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT

ARE SIMPLY NO MATTER WHAT

WE DO THEY ARE JUST NOT GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR TICKETS AND YES; THIS IS GOING TO ASSIST THEM BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT

WE ENCOUNTER; BUT THE TRUTH IS; THAT WE ENCOUNTER A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT SIMPLY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO DO IT

AND TRAFFIC TICKETS; IF YOU ARE NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SYSTEM; AS YOU CAN SEE FROM

LEAH STRAIGHT NOT ONLY CAN BE REALLY DAUNTING AND CONFUSING AND

COMPLICATED PROCESS; BUT THEY CAN ADD A VERY VERY QUICKLY.

WE ARE A PR

OUD PARTNER OF THE DRIVERS DIVISION PROGRAM WHICH WE USE FOR MANY MANY YEARS NOW 12 PEOPLE LIKE

LEO GET THEIR LICENSE BACK BY PAYING OFF THEIR TICKETS AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE APPLY FOR

THE PROGRAM WHO HAVE 8; $10;000 WORTH OF

OUTSTANDING TICKETS GOOD ONE TICKET CAN QUICKLY BALLOON IN THE NORMAL FIND OF A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS INTO

7; $800 BY THE TIME YOU TACK ON THE FEES DELINQUENCIES;

COLLECTION FEES. ALL THE WHILE PEOPLE LOVE TO CONTINUE TO

DRIVE BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GET TO WORK IN ORDER TO

MAKE MONEY

TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY AND PAY OFF

THEIR FINES. WE JUST CREATED THIS VICIOUS

VICIOUS CYCLE AND THE OTHER THING I'VE LEARNED IS THAT WHEN SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A VALID DRIVERS LICENSE THEY OFTEN DON'T HAVE VALID INSURANCE.

FOR ME AS A PROSECUTOR WOULD I WANT ON THE ROADS ARE VALID

LICENSE GOOD DRIVERS AND RIGHT NOW;

WE HAVE

THOUSANDS OF DRIVERS THAT ARE DRIVING AROUND UNLICENSED

AND UNINSURED

AND THIS LOT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING

TO PEOPLE OUT THERE DRIVING RECKLESSLY DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE WHO CONTINUE TO VIOLATE LAWS HABITUALLY. I FULLY SUPPORT

REVOKING AND SUSPENDING LICENSES

FOR CONDUCT TO WHAT I CANNOT SUPPORT ANYMORE IS SIMPLY SUSPENDING LICENSES

FOR PEOPLE SIMPLY ARE JUST TOO POOR

TO PAY AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO MAKE THE ROADS SAFER

. IN

MY OFFICE; 20-30% OF OUR CASELOAD IS SPENT ON PEOPLE COMING INTO COURT AND DRIVING AFTER SUSPENSION; DRIVING AFTER

REVOCATION TICKETS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S

A VERY GOOD USE OF OUR

LEGAL RESOURCES THAT WE

HAVE OTHER CASES TO REPEAT DRUNK DRIVERS THE HIT AND RUN THE DOMESTIC ASSAULT WEAPONS CASE; THOSE ARE THE CASES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY ATTORNEYS FOCUS THEIR TIME ON.

NOT THE PERSON WHO'S DRIVING

TO THEIR 2ND JOB BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THAT WORKS WELL FOR THEIR SCHEDULE

SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY COULD AFFORD TO PAY OFF ONE TRAFFIC TICKET THAT

THEY GOT. SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS BILL. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND I THINK IT WILL IN FACT MAKE THE

ROADS SAFER. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU

DEPUTY AT CITY ATTORNEY.

I BELIEVE WE ALSO OF

JEANETTE BRUNER. >> TESTIFIER:

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY APOLOGIZE FOR SOME YOU ALREADY HEARD THIS LAST WEEK SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE REDUNDANT BUT

MY NAME IS JEANETTE BERNARD IS IN TACOMA THE FIRST OF SENATE

[INAUDIBLE] IN HENNEPIN COUNTY. THE PUBLIC

DEFENDERS OFFICE MR. MINNESOTA

IS THE LARGEST

CRIMINAL DEFENSE FIRM IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

WE REPRESENT 57% OF ALL CRIMINAL DEFENSE CASES IN

THE STATE AT APPROXIMATELY 61%

OF THEM IN HENNEPIN COUNTY.

PUBLIC

DEFENDER CLIENTS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE OUR CLIENTS WHO ARE CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL

OFFENSES AND FALL BELOW THE FEDERAL

POVERTY GUIDELINES. FOR A FAMILY OF 4 THAT'S A $24;000

INCOME. FOR

AN INDIVIDUAL IT'S A 12;000 OUR

ANNUAL INCOME. THE REALITY IS THAT OUR CLIENTS

LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT FOR THE MOST PART. MANY OF

THE PEOPLE WHO I REPRESENTED IN MY 25 YEARS OF PRACTICE

ARE HOMELESS OR

BETWEEN HOUSING ARE UNEMPLOYED OR BETWEEN EMPLOYMENT AND ARE FRANKLY

JUST DESTITUTE. THE REALITY

IS THAT IN THE STATE PARTICULARLY IN OUT STATE MINNESOTA; YOU NEED TO HAVE A LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO WORK

; TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY. I THINK

IN THE TWIN CITIES WE ARE MORE FORTUNATE IN THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THE ABILITY TO QUICKLY USE

UBER OR TO LIFT WITH THE

CAMPY USE FOR OUT

STATE MINNESOTA AND THE CLIENTS THE

Y SERVE. IF YOU ARE POOR THE SUSPENSION IS DRAMATIC

. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT

YOU OWE IS

MORE MONEY THAN YOU CAN GET IN A MONTH TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY.

MOST OF THE TICKETS AS INDICATED;

ARE ABOUT $130 AND WE ARE

NOT GOING INTO ALL THE OVER SURCHARGES FINES

AND FEES. AS I INDICATED IN MY

CLIENT

YVONNE LESS THAN THAT A WEEK. I THINK IT CREATES A TREMENDOUS DISPARITY BETWEEN PEOPLE

WHO HAVE MEANS AND WHO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT; AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THIS HAS

A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR. IT

GETS PRETTY WELL KNOWN THAT YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO

BE STOPPED BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT IF YOUR LICENSE

IS SUSPENDED.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF HOURS THAT WE SPEND

AND MS. -- INDICATED ON THE

SUSPENSION CASES AND

PUBLIC DEFENDERS WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DEDICATE THEIR TIME

TO MORE SERIOUS CASES. I THINK YOU ARE WELL AWARE; I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD FROM MR.

WARD AND MR. -- BUT OUR CASELOADS IN OUR FUNDING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS OUR TIME AND ENERGY ON CASES THAT REQUIRE

OUR TIME

AND ENERGY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE DISMISS THESE CASES AND WE DON'T CARE. WE DO BUT TO MAKES

IT A BONUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND IF YOU HEARD

HER NUMBERS THE CASE THAT

COME INTO THE SYSTEM WE ARE PARALLELING A REPRESENTATION ON THOSE CASES.

I WOULD CONCLUDE BY TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS A NATIONWIDE;;

NATIONAL TREND. WE ARE

SORT OF LAST A LOT TO DO SOMETHING

ABOUT THIS.

IN WASHINGTON THE STATE OF WASHINGTON

. SUSPENDING DRIVERS LICENSE FOR

UNPAID TICKETS IN 2012. IN CALIFORNIA

THEY STOPPED

IN 2017. MISSISSIPPI STOPPED SUSPENDING THE DRIVERS LICENSE FOR THESE TICKETS IN DECEMBER OF

MISSISSIPPI STOPPED SUSPENDING THE DRIVERS LICENSE FOR THESE TICKETS IN DECEMBER 2017.

MOST RECENTLY; THE TENNESSEE

FEDERAL COURT FOLLOWED SUIT

AND DECLARED THAT CORRECTING DEBT FROM INDIGENT DEBTOR IS NOT A

RATIONAL BASIS

FOR REVOKING A LICENSE. THE RATIONAL CREDITOR ONCE A DEBTOR TO

BE SIDELINED FROM PRODUCTIVE ECONOMIC LIFE WERE LESS ABLE TO HOLD

A JOB OR COVER OTHER COMPUTING

LIVING EXPENSES.

THEY CONCLUDE; THE LOSS OF

ONE ABILITY TO DRIVE COMPROMISES A PERSON'S CAPACITY

FOR ECONOMIC

SELF-SUFFICIENCY. YOU CANNOT UNDERESTIMATE THE VALUE OF A

DRIVERS LICENSE IN OUR SOCIETY AND AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU PUBLIC DEFENDER. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. THERE ALSO

IS A A - ONE AMENDMENT. WE'LL SEE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE THAT BUT IN THE MEANTIME I HAVE

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL.

AND REPRESENTATIVE LONG. REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. JUST

YOUR FIRST TESTIFIER THERE;

. YOU SAID YOUR

LICENSE WAS STILL ADDRESSED AS YOUR

PARENTS RESIDENCE >> TESTIFIER: YES. IT WAS.

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS; AS F

AR AS THE FINE GOES; HOW LONG AGO

WAS THIS? WAS IT FOR YEARS

OR 5?

>> TESTIFIER: IT WAS 4.5 YEARS AGO AND ORIGINALLY GOT THE

FIRST TICKET. IN

OCTOBER 2014. >>

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: SO I GUESS WHEN DID YOU ASK

YOUR FOLKS

FOR THE CHANGE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT CITATION

? IT COULD'VE

SAVED YOU LIKE YOU SAID

ABOUT $16;000. >> TESTIFIER: WELL

FAMILY DYNAMIC

WAS IN THERE FOR ME TO BE ASKING THEM

FOR MONEY. I DID EVERYTHING

BY MYSELF. >> REPRESENTATIVE

GROSSELL: OKAY. I'VE HEARD HER STARE

I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST SESSION

AS WELL AND THIS SESSION A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I JUST WAS KIND OF

CURIOUS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY

DAUGHTER AT THAT AGE RECEIVED

A CITATION AND NEEDED

SOME HELP WOULD'VE GLADLY DONE IT

HINDSIGHT BEING 20/20 I

GUESS MAYBE

YOU ARE THINKING HE PROBABLY SHOULD'VE FOUND A FRIEND OR SOMEBODY

THAT WOULD SPOT YOU THE MONEY SO YOU

COULD AVOID; NOT KNOWING WHAT WAS COMING YOU

COULD'VE AVOIDED A HECKUVA LOT OF HEADACHE; WOULD YOU BE YOU?

>> CHAIR MARIANI: I SUSPECT LIKE MOST OF US WE LEARN THE HARD WAY BUT PLEASE;

IF YOU WISH TO RESPOND.

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL

I'M SORRY; ARE YOU DONE

>> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: I'M DONE WITH THE YOUNG LADY. HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR

THE OTHER TESTIFIERS.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: PLEASE. THANK YOU MS. JACKSON.

>> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. NOT ALL FAMILIES ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE FAMILY COULD'VE HELPED >> CHAIR MARIANI:

REPRESENTATIVE WHEN WE HOLD THAT. I SEE HER ON THE LIST OF AN OPPORTUNITY. REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. COUNTY ATTORNEY;YOU MADE THE

STATEMENT THAT THERE'S JUST SOME GROUPS

THAT JUST ARE NOT GOING TO

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR

THEIR CITATIONS. IT

ALSO FOLLOWS WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE HELPING THEM TO CONTINUE TO

BE IRRESPONSIBLE.

IS THAT REALLY WANT TO DO WITH THIS?

>> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. JIM EVERS OF

THE COMMITTEE. WHAT I MEANT BY THAT STATEMENT IS I DO

THINK -- I SEE PEOPLE COMING TO THE COURT ALL THE TIME

AND THEY DON'T SHOW UP AND THEY

DON'T

CARE IF YOU HAVE A BENCH WARRANT THAT JUST GONNA DO THEIR THING AND WE DO SEE IT IN THE SYSTEM. WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS; RIGHT NOW;

THOSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING A SUSPENDED LICENSE BECAUSE NOT PAIN

THEIR FUNDS

AND NOT TO JOIN THE OFFENDER PROBABLY STILL AUTHOR DRIVING TO THE STORE COMING TO COURT

AND SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE GOING

TO BENEF

IT BY MAKING THIS CHANGE; PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TRULY BE RESPONSIBLE AND SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT; I THINK

IN AN IDEAL WORLD EVERYONE WOULD STEP UP AND

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY BUT THAT'S NOT REALITY.

ARE YOU WHILE IT MAY ALLOW PEOPLE TO NOT LOSE OR DRIVE BUSINESS [INAUDIBLE]

THEY WILL HAVE THE COLLECTION PIECE OF IT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT THEM DEPENDING ON THEIR ABILITY BUT

I THINK MOTHER MAY BE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE

THAT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DRIVE

LEGALLY AND STILL IGNORE THEIR TICKETS THE NUMBER OF PEO

PLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO UP I THINK IS MORE IMPORTANT

THAN THAT SMALL GROUP THAT SIMPLY; NEVER SHOW UP FOR COURT DON'T TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW SHORT OF HOLDING THEM

IN JA

IL UNTIL THE CASE IS RESOLVED; WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT PRACTICE; I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT SMALL GROUP BUT THE GOOD THAT THIS BILL WILL DO WILL

FAR OUTWEIGH THE FACT THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF

THIS CHANGE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR. AS FAR AS

THAT GOES; I LIKE

THE IDEA AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS

IN PLACE IN THE COURTS FOR PEOPLE THAT

WERE INDIGENT TO GET IT

-- WHAT IS THE WORD-WHO DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO PAY IT RIGHT AWAY OR UPFRONT

THAT THEY WILL WORK IT OU

T THAT THEY CAN MAKE PAYMENTS OR INSTALLMENTS ON THESE THEM. IS THAT STILL

A PRACTICE? >> TESTIFIER:

MR. CHAIR; REPRESENTATIVE; YES. YOU'RE LOTS OF OPTIONS WHEN YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET. THEY ARE

WHAT CALLED

PAYABLE OFFENSES IN THE STATE COURT HAS DEEMED CERTAIN MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES THAT

YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU WANT TO BE A SET FINE

DOLLAR AMOUNT AND OTHER SURCHARGES

AND WHATNOT. IF

YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THAT AND YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANY

COLLATERAL CONSEQUENCES

YOU CAN GO ON YOUR COMPUTER AND SIMPLY PAY THE FINE. FOR PEOPLE WE ARE TALK ABOUT WHO DON'T HAVE THE FULL FINE AMOUNTED THEIR ONLY OPTION IS TO EITHER COME TO SEE A HEARING OFFICER

IN HENNEPIN AND RAMSEY COUNTY AND TRY TO GET THAT

FINE REDUCED OR GET SOME ABILITY TO WORK

OUT FINE OFF WITH HAVE TO COME TO COURT AND

YOUR PROSECUTOR AND PLEA-BARGAIN THE CASE

DOWN. AGAIN; THAT TAKES THEM AWAY

FROM JOBS WERE OFTEN THEY DON'T HAVE PAID SICK TIME. IT FORCES PEOPLE GOING TO MAKE REALLY HARD CHOICES.. DO I TAKE THE

TIME OF FROM WORK TO GET A REDUCED FINE OR JUST GO

TO WORK AND -- SO YES; THERE IS

[INAUDIBLE] AS A PROSECUTOR ACTUALLY TRY TO TAKE ALL SORTS OF STANCES INTO ACCOU

NT AND GIVE A FIND THAT I THINK IS GOING TO GIVE A MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCE BASED ON INCOME. NOT ALL PROSECUTORS DO THAT TO

SOME PROSECUTOR'S I MET YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLEA GARDEN I HAVE 2 IN MY OFFICE. WE

ARE DOING 70;000 CASES A

YEAR AND JUST BY THE

SHEER VOLUME WE HAVE TO MAKE DEALS AND WE

HAVE TO DECIDE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE

AND WHEN WE STICK TO OUR GUNS AND CELIAC'S THESE ARE THE

[INAUDIBLE] WE NEGOTIATE THE

FINES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO IN ORDER TO SPEND OUR TIME ON A MORE SERIOUS OFFENSES.

BUT I THINK THE FACT IS;

THESE PEOPLE STUFFED UP A SPIRIT THEY

HAVE TO COME IN THE HAVE

TO SIT THROUGH ONE OUGHT TO GET THAT [INAUDIBLE] AND AGAIN IT TAKES AWAY FROM THEIR ABILITY TO WORK AT THESE JOBS AND

I THINK IT'S BETTER NOT TO PUT THEM IN THAT POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> CHAIR MARIANI:

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL WE HAVE A LONG LIST YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS. >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL:

I LIKE THE IDEA REPRESENTATIVE LESCH. I LIKE THE IDEA. TO

HELP PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS A DEPUTY MYSELF

2 OF THE PEOPLE I

ENCOUNTERED BUT TO REWARD IRRESPONSIBILITY

WITH NOTHING; WITH

NO FINES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT; THAT'S A

LITTLE HARDER THING TO SWALLOW.

MR. CHAIR; JUST ONE MORE FOR

THE DEFENSE? JUST QUICKLY;

>> [INAUDIBLE / OFF MICROPHONE] A >>

>> [LAUGHING] >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL:

MY APOLOGIES. >> CHAIR MARIANI: I'M SORRY

. WHO ARE WE >> [LAUGHING]

>> [INAUDIBLE / OFF MICROPHONE]

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: IN LISTENING TO THE ONE STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT PEOPLE

OF COLOR BEING MORE LIKELY TO

BE STOPPED; I WILL

HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE BECAUSE AS A PATROL

DEPUTY MYSELF I NEVER LOOK AT THE COLOR OF A PERSON'S SKIN.

IT WAS THE CONDUCT OF THE CAUSE ME TO STOP THOSE ECHOES

TRAFFIC STOPS AND WORKING A LOT OF

NIGHT SHIFTS I CAN SEE

WHO'S IN THAT VEHICLE. SO TO MAKE A

BROAD STATEMENT AS LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES THIS;

I WILL HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON

THAT ONE. >> CHAIR

MARIANI: -- >> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I THINK

IS A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT A RELEASE FOR RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING SHOULD I THINK [INAUDIBLE]

A COMMUNITY OF COLOR AND PARTICULARLY IN HENNEPIN COUNTY

ARE POOR AND POOR PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE

TO PAY THEIR FINES AND FEES AND THEREFORE THEIR LICENSES ARE SUSPENDED AND SO YOU KNOW YOU CAN

RUN A PLATE NOT KNOWING WHO'S IN

THE CAR; TO YOUR POINT; AND IF YOU

ARE SUSPENDED IT'S A BASIS TO PULL YOU OVER AND THEREFORE IT

DOES HAVE

AN INDIRECT IMPACT. SO I'M NOT TESTING ASPERSIONS ARE SAYING THERE'S A MOTIVE NOT TO OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS

TO MAKE SURE WE ALL ARE HERE FOR THE NEXT 3 HOURS AN

D I KNOW IT WOULD BUY FIG IS FAIR TO SAY JUST WITH THIS

[INAUDIBLE] IT DOES HAVE ITS PROVEN PHYSICALLY TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THAT'S MY POINT. >> CHAIR MARIANI: VERY WELL.

THANK YOU. REPRESENTATIVE LONG. >> REPRESENTATIVE LONG:

THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR I WILL

BE BRIEF SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG

. I WAS GOI

NG TO MENTION; TO THE FIRST TESTIFIER; THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY. I THINK IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO SHARE STORIES LIKE THAT BUT IT'S AN

IMPORTANT EXAMPLE AND YOU ARE IN A TOUGH POSITION WAS THAT

YOU NEEDED TO WORK TO MAKE MONEY

.. YOU NEED TO TRY TO

WORK AND WAS ACTUALLY PART OF YOUR JOB

TO DRIVE

AND SO YOU ARE PUT IN A TOUGH SPOT

AND YOU HAD TO DRIVE TO MAKE MONEY TO PAY BACK YOUR TICKET BUT BY DOING THAT YOU ARE INCURRING EVEN MORE FINES. SO THAT WAS PUTTING YOU IN A REAL POSSIBLE SITUATION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SO I JUST

WANTED TO

ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND ALSO

MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND YOU ARE

NOT UNIQUE. THERE WAS A STUDY DONE LAST YEAR

THAT 57% OF AMERICANS COULD MAKE A $500

EMERGENCY PAYMENT THEY CAME UP. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY SPEAKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE A PAYMENT FOR

AN EMERGENCY BILL THAT COMES DO AND A LOT

OF US THAT 55% DON'T HAVE A PARENT THEY COULD CALL FOR A FRIEND

THEY COULD CALL TO BE ABLE TO

GET $500 AN EMERGENCY BASIS

WERE $900.. SO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU

FOR BEING PRESENT AND SHARING

YOUR STORY AND I

THINK YOU THINK YOU REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO A

RE IN [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN OR THROUGH A FAULT THEY WANT TO PAY

NO FAULT THAT THEIR POOR AND THEY WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON PAIN THE TICKET

BUT OFFER ON ABLE TO SO

THANK YOU TO THE BILL SPONSOR FOR BRINGING

THIS FOR. >> CHAIR MARIANI: WELL SAID.

MS. JACKSON; ONE OF THE I THIN

K [INAUDIBLE] I CAN SPEAK FOR OTHER STATES IS THAT WE DO

TRANSPARENTLY OPEN UP OUR

DELIBERATIONS [INAUDIBLE] SO WE CAN

HEAR DIRECTLY FOR PEOPLE OF ALL VIEWS WERE

DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY

OUR LAWS.SO PUTTING A FACE ON THE

LAW IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US HERE IN

THE LEGISLATURE.

THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A FACE ON THE ISSUES THAT

THIS LAW IS SEEKING TO ADDRESS.

REPRESENTATIVE DEHN >>

REPRESENTATIVE DEHN: THANK YOU;

MR. CHAIR AND ALSO THANK YOU MS. JACKSON FOR

YOUR TESTIMONY. WE'VE A

TERRIBLE SYSTEM. WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN

FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SPAY A

SMALL FINE THEIR LIFE CAN BE

TOTALLY UPENDED AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE

DO THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHY

WE CRIMINALIZE POVERTY BECAUSE

WE DO.. IF SOMEONE GETS A FINE AND THEY CAN PAY IT

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THE LICENSE

IS SUSPENDED

THEY CAN PAY THAT FINE. WE WANT THEM TO WORK IT WE WANT THEM TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO BUT THEY'RE

STARTING FROM 30; 40 YARDS BACK IN IT ALMOST MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE. WE CAN

TALK ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND

HOW THEY PULL PEOPLE OVER AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS

. CLEARLY; IF

YOU'RE DRIVING WITH A SUSPENDED LICENSE THAT'S CAUSE BUT OFTENTIMES

PEOPLE GET PULLED OVER FOR

EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS

AND PEOPLE THAT GET NEW CARS EVERY

3 YEARS AND NOT TO HAVE EQUIPMENT VIOLATIONS

; IT TENDS TO BE PEOPLE THAT

ARE DRIVING 10; 16 YEAR

OLD CARS. BY THE WAY OF BREAKING A LOT RIGHT NOW BUT WHEN MY LIGHTS IS

OUT. SO

I FEAR YOU HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY;

I FEAR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I

DRIVE HERE IF I WAS LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE I PROBABLY WILL NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BUT I LIVE IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS

IT'S POSSIBLE TONIGHT WHEN I GO HOME I'LL GET PULLED OVER BECAUSE OF A HEADLIGHT

THAT'S OUT. NOW I'M GOING TO BE A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN

MY COMMUNITY

BECAUSE THE OFFICER IS GOING TO SEE HIM WAITING

TO BE PROBABLY HANDLED VERY

VERY DIFFERENTLY. WE COULD TALK ABOUT

WHO GETS PULLED OVER.

I LIVED ON THE NORTH SIDE ALMOST

20 YEARS OF GERMAN DOWN

STREETS SOMETIMES 5; 6; 7 TIMES

A DAY SOME THE

BUSIEST PRIESTS IN NORTH MANAUS AND I'M

NOT GOTTEN PULLED OVER THIS IS THE FIRST

TIME I

NOT THE FIRST TO MY HEADLIGHT HAS

BEEN OUT. SO I THINK THAT WE KNOW

POOR COMMUNITIES ARE IMPACTED A VERY

DIFFERENT WAYS AND THAT WE

REALLY NEED TO MOVE

BEYOND CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE

BEING POOR IN THIS INSIDIOUS

DOWNWARD SPIRAL OF FINES

AND FEES AND FINES ON TOP OF FEES AND FINES ON TOP OF THESE. SO I THINK

THIS DEFINITELY IS A BILL WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND

WE SHOULD

STOP MAKING PEOPLE'S LIVES HARDER AND START MAKING IT A LITTLE BETTER FOR THEM.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK

YOU. REPRESENTATIVE HOWARD OF >> REPRESENTATIVE HOWARD:. I'LL BE BRIEF.

I; TOO WANT TO THANK MS. JACKSON FOR

YOUR TESTIMONY.

I AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER

IN LITCHFIELD HAD A CONSTITUENT WHO HAD A VERY

SIMILAR ISSUE TRAPPED IN

THE CYCLE AND I KNOW

THEY BE GRATEFUL FOR SHARING YOUR STORY AND RAISING UP THIS ISSUE. IT IS A CYCLE

. BACKING OF FINES; NEEDING TO DRIVE TO WORK

AND THERE WAS A MENTION OF

COLLATERAL WEIGHT FOR PUBLIC

SAFETY SYSTEM. OUR

POLICE DEPARTMENT IN LITCHFIELD KNEW

THIS INDIVIDUAL

WAS DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE

.. THEY WOULD SEE THEM AND

FELT COMPELLED TO PULL THEM OVER. THEY

WERE ALSO I THINK THEY WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR US CHANGING

THE SYSTEM WHICH IT JUST STRIKES ME AS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECT IN A DIFFERENT RESULT.

WE JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE A

PRACTICAL SYSTEM FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND JUSTICE SO I THINK THIS BILL IS HELPFUL

AND IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU. >> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU.

REPRESENTATIVE

[INAUDIBLE] THEN WE HAVE THE A - ONE AMENDMENT.

ONCE IF ANYONE AUTHORS AND WILL GO FROM THERE.

REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON

>> REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON: >> TESTIFIER:

REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON: I'M JUST ONE OF THE PUBLIC

DEFENDER'S OFFICE [INAUDIBLE]

WAS IT JUST THE SPEEDING

ORDER THAT GET YOU RECKLESS; DW IN

THAT AREA >> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU

>> CHAIR MARIANI: WE ALSO HAVE THE STATE PUBLIC DEFENDER.

>> >>

[MULTIPLE VOICES.] >>

>> [LAUGHING] >> TESTIFIER: WE REPRESENT A

MISDEMEANOR CRIMES

WHICH THE PERSON APPEARS IN COURT. SO IF A PERSON HAS A PAYABLE FENCE WHICH COULD BE A MISDEMEANOR

AND THEY ELECT TO PAY

IT ONLINE AND THAT WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT BUT IF THEY DO SCHEDULE A COURT APPEARANCE WE REPRESENT

THEM. SO ANYBODY IS FACING THE LOSS OF LIBERTY

INCARCERATION TO THE MISDEMEANOR [INAUDIBLE]

A GROSS MISDEMEANOR BY A YEAR AND A FELONY BY MORE THAN A YEAR

A REPRESENTATION

KICKS IN. >> REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON:

MR. CHAIR; THANK YOU

VERY MUCH BUT I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE

KNOW THAT IF IT IS A

MISDEMEANOR [INAUDIBLE]

THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS IS THERE TO UP WITH

A QUALIFY. AND FOR THE PROSECUTORS

IN MY COUNTY THE COUNTIES OF

WORKED IN

A BEEN IN THE COURTS A NUMBER OF

DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND ALL THE PROSECUTORS

WHETHER IT'S CITY OR COUNTY

WE ALWAYS PLEA BARGAIN WHENEVER WE CAN.

IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND HAS

A SITUATION THAT THEY

NEED ASSISTANCE IN MY AREA OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS NO PROBLEM WORKING WITH

THEM. UNFORTUNATELY;

THE STATE WENT TO A SYSTEM WHERE

IT'S A [INAUDIBLE] PAYMENT SYSTEM AND THAT SYSTEM WAS VERY MESSED UP

I KNOW A COUPLE OF

MY FRIENDS WHETHER

LICENSE SUSPENDED AND THEY HAD THE DOCUMENTATION THAT

THEY PAID

. THE SYSTEM DID NOT NOTIFY THE COURT SYSTEM..

TO PAY REINSTATEMENT FEE TO GET BACK. THE REASON I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT;

LAW ENFORCEMENT; I DON'T KNOW IF IT

STILL DONE; IT HAS A

LIST OF IT SENDS A LIST OF SUSPENDED DRIVERS

EVERY YEAR. PROBABLY EVERY WEEK OR

EVERY MONTH; DWIS AND STUFF

LIKE THAT. SO THE

COUNTY ATTORNEYS IN THE CITY PROSECUTORS TO WORK

WITH THE PEOPLE IF THEY

HAVE ISSUES. WE HAD A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND JUDICIARY

AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE THEY'

RE HAVING THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS AND EVEN SOME OF THE JUDGES; IT'S

THE SURCHARGES. THEY CANNOT

BE WAIVED. OUR SURCHARGES ARE

MORE THAN A LOT OF TIMES AND

SOMETIMES DOUBLE WHAT THE

FINES ARE. THAT'S

AN ISSUE WE DO NEED TO WORK ON. BUT LAST QUESTION I

ACTUALLY HAVE WHOEVER WANTS TO

ANSWER IT; ANSWER THIS.

THEY TALKED ABOUT JUST THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE THAT NEVER PAY

THEIR FINES AND THEIR TICKETS. THEY DON'T CONTACT THE COURTS

TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR PAYMENT

AND THAT'S A SIMPLE PHONE CALL TO THE PROSECUTOR AND THEY CAN

MAKE ARRANGEMENTS

TO PAY THE FINES BUT IT'S REALLY EASY TO DO. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT NUMEROUS TIMES.

THE ISSUE IS THESE PEOPLE

HAVE NEVER TAKE CARE OF IT..

I UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THIS BILL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH

IT EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT

THESE PEOPLE TECHNICALLY THEY CAN HAVE 100

MOVING VIOLATIONS IN THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN; IF THEY DON'T

PAY THEM; NOTHING HAPPENS.

THEY COULD HAVE 100

SPEEDING TICKETS;; NOTHING HAPPENS

UNTIL THEY FINALLY

PAY THEM. THEN THERE LICENSE COULD BE SUSPENDED BECAUSE THEY HAVE

MORE THAN 4 VIOLATIONS AND

12 MONTHS OR 5 AND

24 MONTHS. SO UNTIL THEY PAY

THE TICKETS THERE'S NOTHING ON

THE RECORD AND IF THE TICKET IS NOT PAID

IT DOESN'T GO ON THE RECORD. SO

I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A CLOSE LOOK

AT THIS AND I DO HAVE A AMENDMENT THAT I'M

GOING TORINGING UP TO

TALK ABOUT; BUT I'M

GOING TO HAVE THE PROSECUTOR ANSWER THIS BUT WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT CAN TRULY REFUSE TO PAY THEIR FINES?

>> CHAIR MARIANI: CITY TURN IF YOU WOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION I DO WANT TO GET TO YOUR AMENDMENT WHOSE EVER OFFERING

THAT AMENDMENT. MEMBERS DO HAVE

QUESTIONS. MEMBERS; WERE NOT DONE WITH OUR AGENDA TODAY. WE

WILL BE RECESSING

AND RECONVENING AT 5 PM IN ROOM

300. SO CITY ATTOR

NEY >> TESTIFIER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF

THE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE THAT

PROBLEM NOW. WITHOUT THI

S BILL WHETHER YOU PASS IT OR NOT THE

PROBLEM EXISTS

AND IT DOESN'T EXIST JUST FOR DRIVING OFFENSES. IN

HENNEPIN COUNTY THEY DECIDE

D THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND CLEAN UP OLD WARRANTS. SO LAST YEAR I WAS SENT A LIST OF NO

LESS THAN 50;000

MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES OF AL

L SORTS BETTER IN WARRANT STATUS FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS THEY SAID; WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THOSE AND THEY WERE EVERYTHING FROM SERIOUS

OFFENSES; PEOPLE ON

DWI TO CONSUMING

IN PUBLIC TO DRIVING AFTER REVOCATION; AND THERE WERE CERTAIN OFFENSES I LOOK AT AND SAID WELL; THIS IS 5

YEARS OLD AND ON MY SCALE OF WHAT REALLY IMPACTS PUBLIC SAFETY;

I SAID

WE NEED TO DISMISS THEM. WHEN A MANAGER OF THIS PERSON COMES IN AND 5 YEARS LATER I DON'T OF THE OFFICERS STILL ON THE FORCE. WE HAVE THE PROBLEM

RIGHT NOW. SO

THIS BILL IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE PROBLEM BETTER. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE

IT WORSE. BUT

THE BENEFIT THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS SPIRAL THAT

'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FAR OUTWEIGHS BY THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT RIGHT NOW; ARE DOING NOTHING AND JUST TAKING THE CHANCES OF EVER GETTING PICKED UP ON A WARRANT

. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO TO BRING PEOPLE INTO CORD SO WE CAN HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LEVEL OF OFFENSE

. BUT THAT PROBLEM EXISTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY

AND PASSING OR PASSING THIS BILL IS NOT GOING TO

CHANGE THAT. THERE'S JUST SOME PEOPLE THAT

FRANKLY; JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT

THE LAWS THINK THEY DON'T APPLY IN JUST DO THEIR THING UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT AND

ARE FORCED TO DEAL WITH IT UP AT THE NUMBER PEOPLE

; WHAT I FOUND; ESPECIALLY

WORKING WITH DRIVING DIVERSION PROGRAM ONE OF THE THINGS I

WAS REALLY

SURPRISED ABOUT IS WHEN GIVEN THE CHANCE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING A LOT OF PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO DO THAT. THEY JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IT

IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR

THEM FINANCIALLY.

THAT IS OFTEN A PAYMENT PLAN FOR SOME PEOPLE GET A PAYMENT PLAN IS $10 A MONTH IS MEANINGFUL PAYMENT PLAN. SO THEY CAN AFFORD AND I REALLY THINK THE MAJORITY PEOPLE WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND THEY WANT THE SYSTEM TO WORK WITH THEM

SO THEY CAN BE RESPONSIBLE;

TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS LIFELONG 5

-6 YEAR STRUGGLE FOR ONE MISTAKE THAT

YOU MADE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE I'VE GOT SEVERAL TICKETS.

IT HAPPENS. IT'S

LIFE. SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND

YOUR CONCERN I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU AND OTHER LAWMAKERS NOT TO FOCUS ON THE GROUP BECAUSE

THEY ARE GOING TO EXIST REGARDLESS OF WHAT

YOU DO;; BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THERE TRYING TO

BE RESPONSIBLE THAT NEED SOME HELP AND I

DO THINK MAYBE IF

I HAD LESS OF THESE CASES I MIGHT BE ABLE

TO -- SOME OF THESE OFFENSE ARE PAYABLE OFFENSES IN A WAY I CAN BRING THEM TO COURT

IS BY CHANGING THEM BY COMPLAINT. ANOTHER RESOURCE IN MY OFFICE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY

CRANKING OUT COMPLAINTS ON ALL OF THESE MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES; BUT IF

MY CASELOAD

WAS REDUCED BY 23% ME BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OFFENSES AND SAY THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH

I'M GOING TO FILE COMMAND AND BRING THEM INTO CORD THAT WAY IN THAT WILL GET THEM INTO COURT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNBUT

I THINK THIS BILL IS GOING TO DO

MORE BENEFIT

THAN HARM AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO EXIST REGARDLESS OF WHAT

YOU DO.

>> CHAIR MARIANI:

THANK YOU. I'M THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE

TRAFFIC TICKETS OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN AND I PAID

MORE THAN I SHOULD HAVE PAID IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT I

EVENTUALLY CAUGHT UP THAT I DO

NOT PAY $16;000 OR HAVE

MY INSURANCE

RATES SKYROCKET. SO THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE FOR A

SIMPLE ERROR FOR

SMALL MISJUDGMENT IS SOMETHING

THAT [INAUDIBLE] ON PEOPLE PAYING

THE

PRICE. REPRESENTATIVE CONSIDINE REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL THAT WILL GO TO THE AMENDMENT THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO

OFFER. REPRESENTATIVE CONSIDINE >> REPRESENTATIVE CONSIDINE: THANK YOU; MR. CHAIR AND

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN LESCH FOR BRINGING

THIS BILL.

TOMORROW WE WILL BE SEEN A BILL THAT WILL ENHANCE

PENALTIES FOR DEATH

AND MAIMING AND MS. JACKSON IS NOT THE PERSON I WANT TO CATCH

OR BE PROSECUTED WITH THAT

. WE NEED TO MAKE

SURE THAT THE SUSPENSIONS ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT

NEED IT AND THAT HAVE

EGREGIOUS BACKGROUNDS.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

THIS FORWARD. OTHERWISE I DON'T GET A BREAK MY

BILL FORWARD. ONE OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT I KNOW

REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL

EVENT IS IN THE BEST

POSSIBLE WAY AND I'VE

A DAUGHTER THAT WOULD COME TO BE; TO BUT WE CAN ASSUME PEOPLE HAVE THE

SAME RESOURCES THAT

WE DO THAT WOULD BE TO SOMETHING IN GENERAL TO KEEP IN MIND AND AGAIN I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE YES

IF MY DAUGHTER HAD COME TO ME I WOULD'VE WRITTEN A CHECK BUT THAT'S ARTWORK EVERY

RACE EXPENSES. >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. SORRY

MR. CHAIR.

IT JUST BAFFLES ME. I JUST THINK

ABOUT THAT >>

REPRESENTATIVE CONSIDINE: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE COMING FROM. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ASSUMING EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME ADVANTAGES. >> REPRESENTATIVE GROSSELL: I DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK

YOU; BOTH. THERE

ARE FOLKS CAREFULLY TRYING TO THINK

THROUGH ISSUES.

REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL THEN WE'LL GET TO

THE AMENDMENT

REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL >> REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL: THANK YOU;

MR. CHAIR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BILL. IF WE CAN TURN BACK TO THE BILL LANGUAGE.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU

REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL. >> REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL:

CHAIR LESCH;

THIS IS ONLY A PART OF

LAST TIME THE BUILDER I LOVE THE BILL. I DO

HAVE CONCERNS

ONLY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT

REINSTATING FEES AND WAS A CHANGE IN POLICY NOT NECESSARILY A CHANGE IN STATUTE. SO I BRING THAT UP AGAIN. I NOTICED

WE DIDN'T HAVE A AMENDMENT. I

WAS HOPING YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING

THAT WOULD CLARIFY MAYBE I SHOULD'VE BROUGHT A AMENDMENT BUT IF ON PAGE; LINE 5.24 THROUGH 5.26

AND IT REALLY HAS TO DO

MORE WITH

NOW THAT MNLARS IS UP AND OPERATIONAL AND THEY ARE STACKING UP THESE VIOLATIONS

THE LICENSE NEED

TO BE REINSTATED I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO STAY IT. IT'S $20 FOR REINSTATEMENT AND WONDERING IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT

SINCE IT'S REALLY A REINSTATEMENT FEE IT SEEMS THAT A

SINGLE ACTION TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN

STATUTE SO INSTEAD OF IN

STOCK FOR $20 FOR EVERY VIOLATION ABOUT THAT NEED TO BE REINSTATED TO HAVE IT BE A SINGLE FEE OF $20 INSTEAD OF

A STOCK FEE OF $20 HOWEVER

MANY TIMES. SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BRING UP.. I HOPE YOU

CAN CLARIFY

SO WE DON'T HAVE YET ANOTHER IMPUDENT TO SOMEONE GETTING HER LICENSE BACK. >>

REPRESENTATIVE LESCH: MR. CHAIR REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL

WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BUT WITH THE

PATH HERE >> CHAIR MARIANI: CHAIRMAN LESCH I BELIEVE WE ARE REFERRING TO THIS COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION.

>> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH: OKAY. DO WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING AFTER THAT? >> CHAIR MARIANI: I BELIEVE TO

YOUR COMMITTEE >> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH:

YES WE WILL GET THAT DRAFTED IT SO MAYBE YOU CAN DO

THAT. [INAUDIBLE] >>

REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL: THANK YOU. I WILL MAKE SURE WE POINTED OUT PLEASE AFFORD TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO GET THEIR LICENSE BACK NOT

BECAUSE OF

FINANCIAL HARDSHIP THAT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY BIG FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. NOT JUST ONE SINGLE $20 THEORY AND 7

BUT MULTIPLE. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AT THE

LAST HEARING. KIND OF

A SURPRISE GOING THROUGH

THE BILL SOMETHING WE SHOULD FIX GOING

FOR. THANKS.

>> CHAIR MARIANI: I AGREE REPRESENTATIVE O'NEIL. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP ON THE

RECORD. REPRESENTATIVE MOLLER THERE IS A A - ONE AMENDMENT IS SOMEONE WOULD MOVE

THAT AMENDMENT

. REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON >> REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON:

CHAIR MARIANI; THAT WAS

MY AMENDMENT. I DON'T THINK

I DO BELIEVE HIM CAN OFFER

THAT AMENDMENT. THERE'S AN ISSUE DEALING WITH HOW DO WE DEAL WITH HIS PEOPLE

THAT CONTINUALLY DON'T PAY

THEIR FINES; CAN GENTLY DRIVE AND

CONTINUALLY DRIVE

SPEEDING RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT WHETHER THEY HAVE A LICENSE

; OR A SUSPENDED LICENSE BUT I THINK

SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT

AFTER X NONPAYMENT OF FINES IS THERE A CERTAIN

TIME PERIOD; A NUMBER OF OUTSTANDING

DEBT OF NEVER GOT TO COURT REFUSED TO SHOW UP IN COURT; MAYBE IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO

WE WANT TO LOOK AT TO PUT A LITTLE TEETH BACK INTO IT SO THE PEOPLE THAT HABITUALLY TO THAT END UP IN COURT. >> CHAIR MARIANI: CHAIRMAN LESCH >> REPRESENTATIVE LESCH:

I'VE DONE THIS FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS AND I'VE A [INAUDIBLE]

FROM FOLKS WERE SITTING IN JAIL CANNOT AFFORD TO MAKE BAIL

AND THERE SITTING

IN JAIL ON A DRIVING AFTER SUSPENSION. IT WAS

MY JOB THEY WERE ENTITLED TO A TRIAL

THAN 10 DAYS IN A MISDEMEANOR AND I TO TRY THE CASE. I DID

THAT I TRIED THOSE CASES IN THESE PEOPLE WHO WENT

IN FROM HENNEPIN

COUNTY WORKFORCE; MC COUNTY WORKOUTS

CROW WING COUNTY KOOCHICHING COUNTY; BECAUSE THEY WERE

SITTING THERE

IN JAIL ON MUCH MORE SERIOUS OFFENSES.

QUITE FRANKLY; THE VAST MAJORITY

OF INSTANCES THIS WAS NOT EVEN REALLY WORTH HER TIME. THEY

WERE SITTING

IN ON MURDER. THEY WERE SITTING IN ON KIDNAPPING

OR CSC OR

SOMETHING. SO IF IT WERE UP TO ME IN THE SAME

WAY THAT MS. -- STATED;

WE GET THEM ON THE BIG TAMALE

. THE PERCENTAGE OF THE

POPULATION THAT'S

THREADED THAT NEEDLE WHO REALLY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING

WORSE THAN BASIC MISDEMEANOR SCARF

LOT STUFF AND COME

OUT [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS AN

EXTERNALLY NARROW

PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION COULD YOU ARE RIGHT. THOSE PEOPLE IRRITATE ME; TOO. IT'S EXTREMELY IRRITATING

. I'VE CLIENTS LIKE THAT JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

>> [LAUGHING] HE PAID ME SO I WAS LESS IRRITATED THAN BUT YOU

ARE RIGHT. IT'S

JUST THAT WE BOUGHT THIS IN LOOKING AT THE

MAJOR PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE IN THAT POSITION. I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

>> CHAIR MARIANI:

THANK YOU. MEMBERS; I WANT TO

THANK THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD. REALLY

PLUNGING DEEP INTO WHAT

THE CONSEQUENCES ARE AND OBVIOUSLY WE TALKE

D ABOUT VERY CLOSELY RELATED ISSUES. AND THANK

YOU DEPUTY CITY ATTY.; FOR

LAYING OUT IN PAINTING FOR US WITH THE BIG PICTURE IS

OUT THERE. NOT IN THIS

POPULATION. [INAUDIBLE] BUT THAT MS. JACKSON'S; IF YOU WILL;

BUT ALSO ALLOWING

US TO TALK WHAT THE OTHER CHALLENGES.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT

WISHES TO TESTIFY ON THIS BILL? IF NOT;

REPRESENTATIVE LESCHRENEWS

HIS MOTION THAT HOUSE FILE 1061

1060 1B REFER TO THE

TRANSPORTATION

COMMITTEE. THE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY; AYE. [CHORUS OF AYES.] THE

SAME SIGN THE MOTION PREVAILS. >> [GAVEL] >> CHAIR MARIANI: THANK YOU REPRESENTATIVE LESCH. THANK YOU TO

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