- [Joann] We're ready.
- We will call to order the village
of Aswaubenon Public Works and Protection Committee
for Tuesday, October 2nd, 2018.
Role call please.
- [Woman] Mike Malcheski?
- [Michael] Here.
- [Woman] Allison Williams?
- [Allison] Here.
- [Woman] Ken Bukowski?
- [Ken] Here.
- [Woman] Josh Kohnhorst?
- [Josh] Here.
- [Woman] And Joann Euclide.
- [Joann] Here.
- It is customary to recite the pledge.
- [Congregation] I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
- I'll take action on the agenda.
- [Man & Woman] Move to approve
- Motion to approve. Do we have a second?
- [Josh] Second.
- Motion and a second, all in favor?
- [Congregation] I.
- I, motion carries.
Action on the minutes
from the Public Works and Protection Committee
regular meeting September 4, 2018, 6 p.m.
- [Man] Move to approve?
- [Josh] Second.
- We have motion and a second to approve
the September 4th minutes.
All in favor?
- [Congregation] I.
- I. Motion carries.
- Comments from the public.
We have our faithful clerk and a faithful reporter.
I see no others from the public.
We can dispense with that.
- [Ken] Who said he was faithful?
- [Clerk] Always.
- I call him that cause-
- [Ken] Oh, okay.
- [Clerk] Always faithful.
- It helps me get things-
- [Clerk] Yep.
- Get things done when I need them.
- [Ken & Clerk] Oh!
- Which I never need.
I do it all myself anyway.
Uh, seven action items.
7A Action on ordinance number
zero one zero dash one dash 18 amending section
three dash two 100, sub A sub three.
Class A liquor license quota
- [Clerk] Thank you Mr.Chairman and committee members,
Good evening.
As noted in your informational sheet,
last week when the building board approved
Two Class A liquor licenses.
We as a village have now met
our self-imposed quota of eight.
Thus, I thought It'd be advantageous to bring
that to this committee and ultimately the village board
with that knowledge that if, as an example,
as, let's say we get a six story hotel request
and they're looking for a Class A liquor to sell wine
out of a, like a pantry as this village has approved
in the past; there are no Class A liquor licenses available.
The number as I had mentioned is self-imposed.
I couldn't tell you what year the village
went down that road, but it's not a state mandate.
The village did it on their own means.
So I bring it before you to lift it.
Change the number or unlimited as noted
in the informational sheet.
- [Michael] Is there maximum or statute or anything that
- Nothing
- covers this at all?
- The only quota system is the Class B Beer
Class B liquor which was, I think,
the quota system came in September 1st of '97.
But with this type of license there are
no quotas per state statute.
Now why in the past the village felt or township felt
to go that way, I can't speak to that.
But we are at our quota number now.
- Do we really have it researched the minutes
of years and years of meetings to
see any logic on why number eight was picked or anything
- No, I haven't drilled down that far with election
and various other things.
I didn't look.
All I know is we're at that number.
So I thought I'd just bring it to attention
of this agus body and of course the village board.
- [Chair] Discussion.
- I don't know, I kinda like
it's all I understand that Mr.Clerk.
The word "unlimited' just gives me some cause to pause.
- [Clerk] We, if I may-
- I wouldn't mind increasing it up to ten for example
and see what the future holds, but
- We do use that term for other licenses
in our ordinance.
"Unlimited".
- Yeah, okay well I, yeah okay, that's fine.
Although I think Class A liquor is just
a little different than other licenses,
but it's not life and death but I
that's almost too open-ended for me.
I would just, I'd prefer going from eight to ten
But I don't know what the rest of the members feel.
- [Allsion] I agree with that.
- [Josh] Do we typically, how many applications
do we see here?
It seems maybe a handful.
- [Allison] I feel like it's been increasing
with the development in the area.
- Well that's just it.
That's why I bring it forth as I just alluded to.
You could have someone come in to see Mr.Shutey,
"Hey I wanna build a six story hotel over here
on Mike McCarthy.
I'd like to put a little pantry in".
Not unlike Home2 Suites last year was approved.
- [Josh] Yeah
- But now we can't.
- [Ken] And they need a Class A for something like that?
- Well if they wanna sell wine.
- For a pantry.
- Or liquor. Yep.
- [Joann] There's a part of me that says
if we're gonna up it to ten, and then
when we hit 10 we're gonna up it to 12,
and when we hit 12, you know?
If we do unlimited doesn't mean we're going
to approve all of them, it just means
- Right
we're not having a self-imposed restriction anymore.
- So that everything can still come to board.
That all of the people who would like
to develop in our area can still bring it to
our attention and we can vote against it.
If we so choose, but I don't want someone,
in a way I don't want a developer to
not want to develop in our area because
they can't get a Class A liquor license.
That's a small concern.
I'd rather say no and see it come forward than we're
at our limits, not an option.
- [Clerk] And I had no horse in the race,
I just felt it was incumbent in my office
- [Allison] Yep
to notify you of that.
- [Ken] I just think from a legal point of view,
you can say "unlimited" and say "no we won't give you one".
Well that's tough to do. You need some,
you need some darn good reasons why you're saying
no to A and yes to B.
Whereas if we have somewhat of a limit here,
to me, that makes it a bit easier.
If someone comes in who we want to give
a Class A license to, but it's difficult
to articulate the reasons and I don't know
if an imposed, self-imposed limit would
(chuckles) would help legally or not,
but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with that.
Turning someone down with a limit in here.
Rather than having it unlimited and somebody comes in
that we don't want and how do you turn it down?
Very difficult to do.
It's like we had the gas station on Waube there.
There's no reason that we couldn't turn them down, so.
I'm gonna make a motion to amend the number eight
to a 10 and cross off the word unlimited.
- [Allison] I'll second it.
- We have motion and a second
to change the quota from eight to 10
and strike the word unlimited.
Any further discussion?
``- I would rather see us go a higher number than ten.
I don't wanna have a sit-in position
where we're a year from now doing the same thing.
I would, I don't know what anyone else's thoughts
are on that but I would
- [Allison] I agree.
- I would at least feel comfortable if we doubled it
to 16 and then we don't restrict ourselves
and have to redo this in a year or two.
- [Ken] Well, I've been here 9 years
and this hasn't been a problem.
So I don't know if, but we could get three tomorrow.
- [Clerk] Absolutely.
- You don't know. You don't know
what's coming down the pipe.
- [Allsion] And that's my concern
with the development in the area.
That just my concern is we're going
to get there sooner rather than later, in my opinion.
- [Michael] I'll call a question.
All in favor of the motion as put forward.
- [Ken] I.
- [Joann] I.
- [Josh] No.
- [Allison] No.
- [Michael] No, three no's.
Motion fails.
- [Ken] The I's are not above the no's.
- [Clerk] To the main motion then?
- [Josh] I am not very familiar with the process here,
but I would like to make a motion then
to approve the ordinance striking the "unlimited"
and changing that to a self-imposed quota limit
of 16 Class A liquor licenses available in the village.
- Okay, we have a motion.
Do we have a second?
- [Allsion] Second.
- We have a motion and a second.
Striking the unlimited and raising the quota to 16.
Now reminder, this will go to the village board
and it could possibly have a number reduced there.
All in favor?
- [Josh] I.
- [Allsion] I.
- [Michael] I.
- [Ken] Nope. No, I thought you were going
to ask for those opposed.
- Those opposed?
- [Ken & Joann] No.
- Two no's three aye's
- [Man] Thank you folks.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention Mr. Clerk.
- [Clerk] That's why I'm your faithful clerk.
(chuckles)
- And this will go to village board for further action.
- [Man] And don't break you arm.
(laughs)
(congregation mumbles)
- Action item 7B. Action on the Fox River
Fire District Automatic Aid Agreement.
Now is this to automatically put fires out Eric or?
- [Eric] Yeah, it automatically gets us dispatched.
(laughs)
- No, what we have before you tonight
is the Fox River Auto Aid Agreement.
This has been in the works, actually we've
been practicing this since 2015.
This is the legal contract that's
been reviewed by all the municipal attorneys,
including ours and that's why we're
going through the process now going before
each municipality's getting the agreement.
But we have been practicing this since 2015
and simply said is that underneath
the old dispatching procedure Aswaubenon received
fire call, Aswaubenon public safety would go
out the doors with their fire trucks on scene
and go "yep, we got a fire here".
And we'd call out neighbors to help us with auto aid
to get other fire apparatus there.
With this agreement, when a caller calls in and says
"I got smoke or flames", when the page goes out,
it goes to us and then goes to
our three neighboring jurisdictions.
All three of us get dispatched, or all four of us
get dispatched at the same time.
Now depending on where the fire is in the village,
I.E. Where you live, De Pere could show up
on the scene first because of proximity
and what not and same thing,
we can end up in Hobart and Lawrence
before their units arrive there,
so basically we're getting four units on scene
being dispatched at the same time.
More efficiency and getting personnel
there in a faster manner.
And this is for actual smoke and flames.
Not alarms, if someone's actually visualized or smelled it.
And that's why we're being dispatched with the four units.
And along with our, wherever is the home,
we call it the host, whoever the municipality is
their dispatching all of there fire units so
if we can staff two out of station one
and our paid on-call station will
be bringing additional units that way.
But at least we'll be getting one unit
from Hobart, Lawrence and the city of De Pere.
- [Ken] Wait a minute, he gets four I get one?
What is that?
- Depends how you vote, so.
(laughs loudly)
- Holy man
- Is there, just out of curiosity,
is there anything that, let's say
the smoke is not as large as anticipated or like
if other units haven't made it on scene,
you can call them off?
- Yes exactly.
I can tell you for our standard
operating guidelines 90% of the time
one of our public safety officers
in a police car will show up and what happens is
know, in an apartment complex there's smoke,
don't know where it's at; they locate it,
it's someone cooking a pizza in an oven.
We call it off and then just Aswaubenon
will go on scene and take care of what need to be done.
But as soon as we find out there's not
an emergency we call off surrounding departments.
- Okay.
Thank you.
- [Joann] But isn't it expensive
just to get those units on the road?
Because I'm thinking, who's there
telling you there's smoke and flames
when they get the dispatch call?
- The actual callers.
I mean that's what we're going by is
that whoever's calling in is actually
seeing smoke and flames, where underneath the old system,
you call in, you get one truck company arriving there
and they get there and they go, "We got flames".
Now it's gonna probably it could be
up to five to 10 minute before we get
the other municipalities there.
So the efficiency is in life safety
and property preservation by arriving on scene
with four units at one dispatch time.
- But it's gonna be a police unit
then that's gonna really be the authority
or is gonna be the caller.
If I call in, say I have smoke and flames in my house.
- [Eric] Yep.
- But sometimes I won't know that.
Maybe I just have, you know, heat problem.
- [Eric] Well, I mean some of the essence that they
like with electrical storms.
If someone's house
gets struck by lightning, you know,
they smell something, they don't know where it's at,
then they'll call us in cause there's a smell of smoke.
It could take multiple fire units to
go throughout the house with the thermal imaging cameras
to locate where that source is at.
- [Ken] It's not really a cost factor
because those firemen are working, firefighters
are working no matter what. I mean
whether a call to a fire, a unit or not,
they're gonna get paid. So it's not really
a cost thing.
Right?
Yeah.
No and the thing is that.
- Excuse me.
Like I said we're with the cellular phones now,
we're getting reliable information and the callers
on the line with the dispatch center,
you know, they're asking the different questions,
you know especially in an apartment complex you know,
or a hotel you know, they smell smoke in the hallway.
Now we gotta locate where it is exactly
and until we can get another public safety official
on scene, like I said, for us it would be
the public safety officers, you know to verify
whether or not there's a true emergency or not.
- A move for approve the Fox River
Fire District Automatic Aid Agreement
as presented in item 7B.
- [Josh] I'll second that motion.
- We have a motion and a second to approve action
on the Fox River Fire District Automatic Aide Agreement.
- [President] Mike?
- Yeah?
Before you take a vote could I just say something?
- Sure.
- I have one question, first of all,
I'd like to say that's the one really unique thing
with our public safety when the chief explained
that when our guy gets there, he's in a cop car
but he is also a fireman, so he knows
you know, they've got a head's up right there.
That's the cool thing about our public safety.
But, my question: Chief, what's the difference
between this and that MOB, MABIS?
- [Eric] MABAS
- MABAS. MABIS, MABAS
- What the president's talking about is
the MABAS Mutual-Aide Box Alarm System.
That's the next level up.
That's in the next higher level
we need more resources on scene.
And when we call for that we're going
to get additional resources for
the city of Green Bay and some other municipalities.
And basically, we have a bigger emergency,
maybe an apartment complex fire, a warehouse fire
where we need the additional people in there.
And where this is, this is ensuring the step
before we go to a MABAS call and MABAS
is covered under state authority
for protections and mutual-aide agreements
and this here is a compact amongst
the agencies you see here in the agreement
of an auto-aide that will be automatically dispatched
on a MABAS call, a MABAS call is called up
by the chief.
I arrive on scene
and I can go to a Fox River district fire
and I say "I need more resources".
As a chief that I call in a box card
that I need a box card to a certain level
for more resources to come in.
We are not dispatched through MABAS,
we're not dispatched on a MABAS card.
This here automatically gets the resources out the door.
- [Michael] Okay.
As someone who had a house fire
a few years ago and saw this first hand,
this is a good deal because our house was preserved
because of the immediate response.
- The Green Bay, just for an example,
the Green Bay Metro Fire Department when they
had the floods on the East side, they went up to,
they called a box card up to a certain level
because they needed a number resources out there.
It overwhelmed their resources
for the many firefighters they had on scene.
But they ended up calling special box cards
cause they needed boats, they needed flotation devices
and whatnot and that how the MABAS cards works.
And with MABAS you're also, there's a protection
that you're not taking all the resources
from one municipality of several municipalities.
You leave some fire, or you leave a coverage
of fire departments with apparatus and people.
Before MABAS, we had a fire, we called De Pere
and De Pere'd bring everybody over
if something happened to De Pere,
there's no one there and so when we ask for assistance,
we get one firetruck from De Pere,
one from Hobart and one from Lawrence.
Same thing, when we get called over there
we send them one unit.
- [Joann] So Green Bay is not included in this group?
- In this Auto-Aide Agreement, they are not.
- [Josh] Well I think this is fantastic
and I think it serves our citizens very well
so thank you for your help with this.
- [Michael] Okay, we have a motion and a second
for an approval.
All in favor?
- [Congregation] I.
- I. Motion carries unanimous.
- [Eric] Thank you.
- Items for next agenda, I have none.
[President] Do we wanna move public works
to Monday, November 5th also?
[Joann] That works for me.
[Allison] I'm fine with that.
- Yep.
- [Allsion] Will you let us know
if it's like 5:45 or 6:00?
- [President] Yep.
- [Allison] Whatever? Okay.
Do we need to move to?
- Motion to adjourn?
- [Joann] I move to adjourn.
- [Ken] I've got people showing up at my house.
- Okay we have motion and?
- [Josh & Allison] Second.
- And another motion and a second
- [Allison] Yeah
- All in favor?
- [Congregation] Aye.
- Motion carried.
We stand adjourned.
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