This is Couples Court With The Cutlers.
Hello, and thanks for tuning in
to a special update edition of Couples Court.
With us today is our aftercare specialist,
Dr. Jeff Gardere.
And joining us later
is Grammy-nominated singer, Angie Stone,
with her special take on relationships.
JUDGE KEITH: Dr. Jeff, after court,
you have been there to help our litigates to deal with the truths
that have come to light in our courtroom.
Thank you for joining us today.
It's always a pleasure. Thank you.
Let's take a look at one of our couples, the Beardens,
whose marriage was in crisis
due to Mr. Bearden's habitual cheating.
MRS. BEARDEN: I got a ring at the doorbell.
I go to the door.
He come following behind, come downstairs.
There's a sonogram on the door.
I don't even think that sonogram was for me anyway.
MRS. BEARDEN: Who was that for?
That was like...
That was...
MRS. BEARDEN: Who was it for?
That could've been anybody's baby or something like that.
Come on now, at the end of the day...
Really?
...you couldn't tell off a sonogram that that's actually my child,
like she could've already been pregnant...
But he was with her though?
...at the end of the day, so...
You was...
You was with her, right?
I don't believe that was my baby.
This woman that you were texting,
have you been intimate with that woman?
Yes.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS)
When was the last time you were with this woman intimately?
(SIGHS)
Like a week ago, couple of weeks ago.
I feel hurt.
I feel... I feel used.
(SNIFFLES)
With the Beardens, there wasn't just one instance of cheating,
he cheated multiple times in the past.
But the question is,
did their relationship survive?
BOTH: Hey, Couples Court ...
With The Cutlers.
It's me, Yolanda.
And Jerome.
Hope you're watching this, Jeff,
'cause there's something I'm trying to prove to you, man,
and definitely Mr. and Mrs. Cutler,
um, that...
I mean, every inspirational word that you gave me, it was just...
I'm definitely putting it into play.
And we're doing great.
We're doing so great that we might be expecting...
Yeah.
Shh.
(CHUCKLES) So...
Bye.
Buh-bye.
Okay, Dr. Jeff,
his wife slipped in at the end that they might be expecting.
And I do hope it works out for them.
But my question is, what do you believe
are the reasons that make people cheat in the first place?
The thing that I see that happens with many different couples
is day-to-day life.
The kids, the working all the time, the finances.
All of those things can begin to wear down a relationship,
and finally just break it down completely.
How much does boredom play into cheating?
Well, let's face it, Judge.
I mean, boredom is something that happens in every relationship.
And that's why it's so important
to try as hard as possible
to keep it going and deal with the boredom,
but in a constructive way.
Mr. Cutler and I, we have to work hard
to keep boredom out of our relationship.
I think we do a good job with that.
I agree, love.
Now, for this next case,
this couple's marriage plans came to a screeching halt
when Ms. Manning discovered that her live-in boyfriend
was making plans with an old fling.
I have the text messages
where him and his ex were texting back and forth to each other.
Why do you need to know if your ex still has feelings for you?
Because I wasn't the one that ended our relationship, Your Honor.
My ex was, so therefore...
I was wanting and needing closure on that, meaning my...
But she's ended it. That's as much close to her you can get.
JUDGE KEITH: Mr. Curtis was asked,
"Have you had any sexual intercourse
"with the ex, with which you were caught texting?"
What was his response?
His response was no.
JUDGE KEITH: What did the lie detector determine?
There was no significant response to this question,
which is an indication that the subject was being truthful.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Now, Dr. Jeff, you met with this couple after court,
and they're planning to get married next year.
Are you surprised at all by this?
Not at all, because one of the things that we do know
is that sometimes,
you have to give that second chance to the relationship.
And also, begin to forgive
some of the past mistakes of the relationship.
Very well said, Dr. Jeff.
There are times when the infidelity issues run very deep.
In the case of Penner v. Martin,
Mr. Penner had a deep suspicion
that his girlfriend was sneaking around with someone else.
I've made one mistake. I've owned up to it,
I've apologized, I've jumped through hoops,
but I wouldn't be here if I didn't,
like, if I didn't love that man.
Like, I wanna marry him. We got two children.
I'm not lying about anything.
My mom always told me something, "Don't go in a woman's purse,
"because she might have a snake in it and you might get bit."
So, I didn't listen.
I didn't listen, I got bit.
If you do it...
Is that why you told me not to go in your purse all these years,
'cause you got a snake in there?
I won't say I have a snake in there,
but if you go in there and you're not supposed to,
something will bite you.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Did you get bit by going in her purse?
Yeah, I got bit.
Because I found a... I found a condom in there.
I'm not gonna explain that.
MR. PENNER: Now, mind you, we have children.
We have children together.
We haven't been wearing no condom,
and it was an extra smedium, and I don't wear that size.
MS. MARTIN: Why are you saying...
What?
A what?
PENNER: Extra smedium.
JUDGE KEITH: What is an extra smedium?
Small and medium at the same time.
MS. MARTIN: Oh, my God.
That's not your size?
MR. PENNER: It ain't my size.
JUDGE DANA: How did he find the extra smedium in your purse?
Because Romeo goes through everything I own.
Has she cheated in the past that's made you feel the way you feel?
Yes, Your Honor. She cheated in the past.
She had this real big party.
So, a month later,
she comes to me, she's like, you know, "I'm pregnant."
So, after that, she says,
"That night, I had sex with somebody
"and I didn't use protection.
"I really don't even know the guy's name."
So, from that point right there, I said, "Oh, man."
I was tripping.
Wow.
We have to take a break.
But stay with us to find out if this relationship survived.
MS. MARTIN: Oh, my God.
Welcome back to Couples Court.
We're here with the court's aftercare expert,
Dr. Jeff Gardere,
and we're getting updates on couples who came through our courtroom.
Before we went to break,
We found out Mr. Penner wasn't a smedium,
but is Ms. Martin a cheater?
Let's see what happened.
Since the birth of your first child,
have you had sexual contact
with anyone other than Mr. Penner?
JUDGE DANA: What was Ms. Martin's response?
Her response was no.
What did the lie detector determine?
The lie detector determined
that she was being deceptive.
I knew it.
Ms. Martin failed the lie detector test
and denied cheating.
JUDGE KEITH: But in this case, they decided to stay together.
So guess they can't see themselves without each other.
Dr. Jeff, we heard the cast of Robinson v. Gregori.
Mr. Robertson swore his wife was cheating
because their sex life went downhill after they got married.
Take a look at this.
There's been a slight decline
in the rate of incidence of the sexual activity.
The quality has been a vast decline.
JUDGE KEITH: February, in orange, three times a day.
Uh, the next month, March, three times a day.
The next month is April, in orange.
Whoo.
Every single day I turn around,
"You're a cheater, you're a cheater."
(SOBBING) It's not fair.
JUDGE DANA: Has Ms. Gregori had sexual contact
with any other man other than Mr. Robinson?
She said no.
What did the lie detector show?
The lie detector determined that she was being truthful.
I told you.
I told you.
Dr. Jeff, Mr. Robertson and his wife were newly-weds.
We have a video update.
So let's find out if their marriage has survived.
Things have been a lot, I'd say, 80, 90% better ever since coming to Couples Court.
I feel like I've gotten a lot of clarity out of it.
My favorite part of this is that the calendar's gotten a lot more full.
Here at Couples Court, we are all about second chances.
Dr. Jeff, didn't they look happy?
They look very happy.
And I have to give them a lot of credit for doing the hard work
of repairing their relationship.
When we come back, we'll be joined by Grammy-nominated singer, Angie Stone.
And we have more updates to come.
Stay with us.
Welcome back.
We're here finding out if couples stayed together
or broke up after getting the truth.
Joining us now is one of our friends of the court,
Grammy-nominated singer, Angie Stone.
The last time you were in our courtroom,
you gave advice to a couple dealing with trust issues
and a 16-year age gap.
That was the case of Winborn v. Winborn.
Let's look.
His FaceTimed me, and then, his ex pops around the front of the camera,
"Hi." You know.
She's not telling you all the details
of that day...
MRS. WINBORN: I don't have 'em.
...and how every day it went down.
No, no, wait.
I gotta ask this...
(STAMMERING)
Okay, go ahead.
I gotta ask him.
Why would you FaceTime your wife with your ex right there?
I FaceTimed her and my ex showed up
'cause I have my kids that day.
So we have our friend of the court,
Grammy-nominated singer, Angie Stone.
In this case, she's afraid of an ex.
She's concerned about an ex.
She should be, because you are afraid and insecure.
And I say insecure... Because ain't no way in the world
you can be married two months,
and you just find all these things out in two months
when you've been with him for years.
Some of these signs have to already be there.
Mr. Winborn was asked,
"Did you have sexual contact with your ex
"from July 2016 to now?"
What was his response to that question?
He said no.
And what did the lie detector determine?
The lie detector determined that he was
deceptive.
Whatever you did to get it, baby,
you got to stay there to keep it.
I can't do it. (SOBS)
So, Angie, when it comes to the Winborns,
what do you think Ms. Winborn decided to do
after leaving our courtroom?
Well, if she took the advice that I gave her,
I think they probably good 'cause they're gonna be doing better.
Well, we have your answer.
Let's check out their video and see where things stand.
Thank you, guys, for having us.
Thank you...
Thank you, Angie.
You know, Angie, you were a huge part of this healing process
because it took a lot for us to realize
what it takes to make a relationship like this work.
Yeah.
Thank you, guys. Bye.
Thank you so much.
Aw.
That's great.
And how does that make you feel to know that you
helped them get to where they are now?
Well, it lets me know that we go through things
not just for us, but for other people.
And I just wish I had a "me" to talk to me back then,
and maybe I had ended up like they ended up.
(CHUCKLES)
Anybody can use an Angie Stone.
And I know that's right.
Can you stay with us for another case?
Absolutely.
All right, let's revisit the case of Lockhart v. Rogers.
MS. LOCKHART: I was getting into my car,
there's cigarette butts with lipstick on them in the ashtray.
There's a reasonable explanation for all of that.
And I also found an empty condom box on the passenger side.
That's not my size, I can't wear those.
So if it doesn't fit, we must acquit.
JUDGE DANA: Are you cheating?
No, I'm not cheating.
JUDGE DANA: The polygraph determined that you
were being truthful.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
He passed the lie detector test,
so I hope things worked out.
She was holding on by a thread.
Everything that I sensed,
I can honestly tell you that I don't think they will survive.
All right, well, we'll see.
During our session with Dr. Jeff,
there were questions about the baby's paternity,
so we may or may not need a DNA test.
So, although he was talking to other girls,
it kinda made me want to venture out
and start talking to other guys.
He found out, and you would've thought the world came to an end.
Uh, the type that can dish it but can't take it.
I come home from work early a few weeks ago,
and he had some ugly girl in the house.
So, needless to say, it's over.
Geez, after all of that,
she tried to play his game and talked to other men.
And guess what? It was way too late to start playing games.
Well, she said they may need a DNA test,
so maybe we should send them over to Judge Lake at Paternity Court.
JUDGE DANA: She can get the job done. That's a great idea.
We're almost at the end,
but we can't leave out the case of Noltion v. Noltion.
Mrs. Noltion thought her husband was the perfect man,
until she began to suspect that he cheated with one of her family members.
He tried to mess with a family member of mine.
He put in a message of how he wanted to have oral sex with her,
how bad he wants her,
and when I go to work, to come over to the house.
I don't even know, Your Honor, what's going on,
or why her family member will tell her that.
He don't even talk to me like that.
The things that he put in the message was like so provocative, it was like,
it was like, "Ooh." That was hot.
You know, it turned me on.
You know what I'm saying? 'Cause I'm like...
This is my husband but he's telling somebody, another woman this.
It hurts me, you know what I'm saying, I'm like, "Ooh."
Mr. Noltion was asked,
"Have you had sexual intercourse with any other woman?"
What was his response to that question?
Your Honor, his response to that question was also no.
What did the lie detector determine?
The lie detector examination determined
that he was again deceptive.
(CHUCKLES)
Infidelity with a family member is hard to get past.
What do you think?
Oh, my God. Infidelity, period,
is hard to get through.
But with a family member, it's definitely out of the question.
Well, Ms. Noltion checked in with the court,
and informed us that they were not able to work through it.
And they are filing for divorce.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, so, are you ready for our final case of the day?
It was an emotional case that really heated up
when Ms. Sanchez-Brown saw hidden camera footage
of her husband with another woman.
We'll have that for you after the break.
Couples Court is back.
We're here with our special guest, Angie Stone.
Angie, before the break, we were discussing the case of Ms. Sanchez-Brown.
During the course of our investigation,
we secured hidden camera footage of Mr. Brown
interacting with another woman.
Take my number.
MR. BROWN: Oh, I'm so, so dirty.
How dare you?
How dare you?
We also had Mr. Brown to undergo a polygraph examination,
and we have those results.
JUDGE DANA: Mr. Brown was asked,
"Did you use the condoms your wife found in your house
"to have sex with women other than your wife?"
JUDGE DANA: What was his response?
Your Honor, he said no.
What did the lie detector determine?
Your Honor, there was a significant physiological response to this question
indicating deception.
How dare you? Everything I've done for you, Shawn, really?
Really?
I can hand your bag from the lowest to the highest, Shawn.
How dare you?
Angie, as you saw,
Mr. Brown's wife wasn't just angry, she was mad.
She was really, really mad.
When you hear your husband's cheating,
or your spouse is cheating is one thing.
But seeing is believing.
We have an update from the Browns.
Watch this.
We've been working on our marriage, and we're moving forward.
Having no arguments lately, so it's good.
MR. BROWN: We took the advice from the Cutlers to sort things out.
Well, thank you.
It is truly amazing
how Mr. Brown and his wife have been able to come together
and talk through their issues.
Are you surprised as I am?
I'm super surprised.
I didn't think it would last.
I was somewhat surprised,
but, you know, they took the time to talk it out and work it out,
and a lot of times, that makes all the difference in the world.
Angie, thank you so much for being with us today.
We appreciate it, your comments and your input.
Well, you know I love you guys.
Thank you, and whenever you need me, I'm here.
We welcome your questions and comments.
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And as we say in our courtroom,
Do not cheat yourself out of a chance
for a happy, healthy relationship.
We'll see you next time.
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