Hello everyone welcome
My name is dr. Robert. Hokum. I serve as the Dean of language arts and academic foundations
And I'm happy you've come to join us for this exciting presentation as part of my role as Dean
I work with a number of academic departments including the English department
And I see about half the department here not that many, but I see a few familiar faces
Today's presenter Terry Mulcair is a tenured faculty member within within the English department
He's also an active faculty leader within the AFA, which is our all faculty association here on campus
We know Terry to be a man of conviction a deep thinker one who is committed to the students our campus community
social justice higher education and today's lecture will reflect that
He has three degrees from three public universities from UC, Santa Cruz
University of Wisconsin at Madison and
UC Berkeley he once wrote a manuscript that was entitled the aesthetics of laissez faire
You'll hear something about that here today
It wasn't published though and that led him to not attain tenure at a previous institution
But that's okay because it led him here with us
Please welcome Terry Mulcair Terry
Thank you Robert, and I just need to
Pass on a note of thanks to my colleague Marco Giordano. There is who kind of originally got the
the idea for several of these talks going so thanks Marco
Okay
I
Hope you can put your listening hats on this was hard to write. I expect it might be hard to listen to
Some ways I want to begin with a few questions for the students here. How many students quite a few students awesome
Why are you here studying at the JC?
Can you help me up there guys get me back to the main slideshow
Thank you
I
Want to ask you to reflect on your interest so this is the purpose of this thing you think about interests?
What is your private interest in being here and?
Then do you think the public has an interest in your presence here?
So what is the relationship between those two things your private interest in being here?
And the public's interest in having you here, are they the same do they conflict
Is there tension between them?
same questions for
employees of the JC whether you're faculty staff or administration
Let me just ask you to reflect on those questions for a minute. What are your private interests in your presence here at the JC?
What is the public's interest? What is the relationship between those two things? Let me give you a minute?
think
a four-minute
How's it going
Please talk to some people nearby what kind of answers did you come up with?
I'm interested in whether this was difficult or easy
Take a minute to talk to each other. What are your private interests in your presents here? What are the public's interests?
How are those in conflict?
Okay
Sorry to rush you
We don't really have time to talk as I have so much to say but
I'm curious was that easier hard
Was it how many of you found it hard to answer those questions?
How many of you found it easy?
What about the conflicts and tensions are those hard problems. I'm seeing a nod
Okay, so you can identify public and private interests, and you can also identify tensions between them and that's
Resolving the tensions is not necessarily easy
Am I making that point
It stopped
So these are particular versions of a big question. Here's the big question the sort of question that colleges and universities?
exist in part to ask
investigate to debate and to propose answers to
This is my experience at the three great public universities where I went I was trained how to do this
The big question is what is the right?
relationship between public interest in private interests and obviously that question becomes most important when there is conflict between them when there is tension between
Them as there so often is
So your presidents here at the JC especially for students raises specific versions of this big question
The public does indeed have an interest in your presence here at the JC
that interest is expressed in the money the public devotes out of taxpayer revenue and
under the direction of state law to pay the costs of your presence here for
Every dollar you spend on course enrollment fees at the JC. The public spends approximately
$4 in dollar terms the interests of the public in your presence here is four times as great as your interest students
Back in 1976 when I enrolled at West Valley Community College in Saratoga
I paid zero dollars per unit in course enrollment fees
strictly mathematically speaking the public interest in 1976 was infinitely greater than my personal private intro
The college is publicly stated mission then was that it would offer free admission to any student capable of benefiting from instruction
Between 1976 and now the public appears to have perceived and responded to a
Conflict between its interests in the private interests of students attending the Community College in
Short the public has decided that it was paying too much for its interest in
education at the Community College and that students needed to pay more
What accounts for that change and what change in the mission of the Community College has it brought about?
Now the forty six dollars predates the Student Success era, but the Student Success era is an expression of those
Changes and that's what I want to explore here today. I
Hope it's clear that these are political questions the resolution of conflicts between public and private interests is politics
Before I turn to the Student Success error though
I'd like to provide some context this will take about 10 or 15 minutes by reviewing the history of answers to the big question
What is the right relationship between the public interest and private interests the first answer is the less a fair answer?
Let's say fair means roughly let them do what they want specifically less a fair
Ideology holds that if government just gets out of the way and leaves individuals free to pursue their own private interests
The result will be the best possible outcome for all individuals and for the public in general
This is a hugely influential idea. I would say it's one of the
handful of the most influential ideas over the last 200
or 300 years of human civilization at least since the United States declared independence from Britain in 1776
If you've seen Oliver Stone's movie Wall Street
You're familiar with a famous expression of this idea in Gordon Gekkos Proclamation that greed is good
greed works as
It happens one of the foundational texts of less a fair theory was published in 1776
That's the wealth of nations by the Scottish economist and philosopher Adam Smith
Let's review probably the one of the most famous passages from The Wealth of Nations
As every individual therefore endeavors so to direct his industry that its produce may be of the greatest
Value everybody pursues their own private interest in a free-market
strenuously
Every individual necessarily Labor's to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can he generally indeed neither
Intends to promote the public interest nor knows how much he is promoting it
He intends only his own security and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest
Value he intends only his own gain
And he is in this as in many other cases led by an invisible
Hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention
What many economists and politicians and capitalists between
1776 and now have taken Smith to be saying is something like this
This is the less a fair answer to the question the free and unrestrained pursuit of private interest in a competitive marketplace
Automatically as if directed by an invisible hand promotes the best possible outcome for the public interest
It is a dazzling idea
Not only does it answer our big question it gets us off the hook from ever having to ask it again
Just let the market and its private players run as freely as possible and the invisible hand of the market takes care of everything else
The most important representative of the less a fair answer in American politics over the last 50 years was the politically conservative
Republican President Ronald Reagan
However contradictory it may sound Reagan was elected as president of the United States on an intensely anti-government
Platform as Reagan once said the nine most terrifying words in the English language are I'm from the government, and I'm here to help
What he meant is that when the government tries to act in the public interest all it ends up doing is meddling in people's private
business for example by imposing taxes or regulations in ways that make things worse
It's probably a familiar idea to you. It's a basic principle of our national politics at least since Reagan
In his first inaugural address referring to the nation's economic problems Reagan famously said government isn't the solution to our problems?
Government is the problem?
So Reagan's policies which continue to the bush presidents and now into Trump's
presidency are supposedly aimed at making government as small as possible and this means cutting taxes and
Shrinking government funding to public sector institutions from the Environmental Protection Agency to pub to public higher education
Contemporary Republican lobbyist of extremely influential
Person named Grover Norquist has phrased this anti-government view in less polite
Terms all I want to do Norquist said is to shrink the government so it's small enough to drown in a bathtub
He is famous for his success Norquist isn't getting tax cuts for the wealthy through Congress
Okay, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. Let it rip here. This is my view
It's really critical to note that
let's say fair conservatives are fundamentally either insincere or
self-deluded in
Claiming that they want to shrink government so that it will get out of the way of people pursuing their private interest in a free
marketplace
Well, let's say fair conservatives really want is for the government to support their private interests and to stop supporting the interests of other people
Unless they fare conservatives don't like such as for example poor people and working people
When let's say fair conservatives praise the invisible hand of the free market what they're really promoting if I may say so is the greedy
grasping clutching hand of the ruling class
clutching as much wealth and power to itself as it possibly can and
As you all probably know the data on the growth of income and wealth inequality in this country since Reagan became president
Show that over the last 40 or 50 years the ruling class has been scooping up wealth and power with great success
The current Republican tax cut planned before Congress barely even tries to hide that goal anymore
I've been doesn't even try to hide that anymore
It's just the naked grab
It's important also to note that in the United States at least
Let's say fair conservativism certainly since Reagan has always been closely if discreetly bound up with the politics of white supremacy
Again under Trump that alliance is no longer discreet as a writer on the website Vox recently put it to cry
describing Trump supporters views on the government from the point of view of a white supremacist Trump supporter
Government overreach is when government tells people like me white nationalists what to do
The proper role of government is to defend my rights and privilege. It's against people like them people of color immigrants or white liberals
Less a fair conservativism does not in fact actually promote a free market
But a market dominated and controlled by a small wealthy and overwhelmingly white elite what it calls the public interest is
identical to the interests of that elite
The members of that elite are either themselves racist or are willing to exploit and employee racism to maintain their hold on wealth and power
Let's say fair conservativism is therefore intensely
anti-democratic
That was it
Let it rip attentive readers among you will have noticed that Adam Smith himself did not actually
Express the logic of the left's a fair answer which I have just summarized
Smith's invisible hand of the free marketplace
Takes care only of the public's interest in producing as much national
Wealth as possible Smith himself realized that the public had many other interests including placing limits on income inequality
That the invisible hand of the market could not be trusted to take care of and that
regulation of the market to favor workers and restrict the greed of capitalists was essential to the health and Ligeti of free markets
in other words Adam Smith was a liberal and
Here's my version of the liberal answer to our big question. I realize this is
This is a polemical answer, but it's my my answer for our purposes here
Societies whose economies are built around well regulated for relatively free marketplaces
The best chance to strike the right relationship between private interest and public interest
Liberal politics are about promoting the right kinds and varieties of regulation to balance private freedoms in a productive marketplace
With the public interest, and this is something that takes constant work and adjustment and corruption by the citizens of a liberal society
Citizenship in
This context refers to the condition of being informed trained
Motivated and otherwise equipped to participate in and pass judgment on that political work
Liberal politics are therefore Democratic at least theoretically they invite all citizens in
while recognizing that maintaining and informed discerning and engaged citizenry
requires robust public institutions and constant work
liberal politics in America have long depended specifically on a robust public educational system and
especially on public higher education
To cultivate the skills in its citizens that make it possible for this work to go on
The writer Marilyn Robinson who has taught for decades at a great public
university the University of Iowa says that the crucial role of public colleges and universities is quote training students in skills of
citizenship
Unlike less a fair conservatives liberals must constantly worry about the answer to our big question in a liberal society the question of the right
Relationship between public and private interests must constantly be in the way of being asked
investigated debated and answered anew
again public institutions of higher education have traditionally been crucial to this ongoing past
Ok neoliberalism
Again perhaps a polemical
Definition this is a controversial term
But here's a working definition all human activity is most effectively motivated and organized in the environment of a free marketplace
This means that all social problems all matters of the public interest
Including problems of the environment such as climate change
and
Problems of social justice such as income inequality and racism can and should be a solved by appealing to the private interests of individuals
competing in a free-market environment in
fact neoliberalism holds that market forces represent not only the best
But really the only genuine and effective solution to such problems
Is
The neoliberal answer to our big question a good one is the universal application of market forces?
The best way to strike an optimal balance between private and public interests
Is the ideal of neoliberalism social justice and economic prosperity?
achieved through market forces
Genuinely attainable, or is that rationale just a smokescreen for a grim reality?
the seizure of power and wealth by the ruling class
Student Success era is a test case for these questions
It's a neoliberal project for arranging the balance between public and private interests in the community college system
Here is the basic neoliberal premises at the heart of the Student Success project
The Community College as a public institution has been very inefficient and wasteful
It would never survive in a free market for higher education
The mission of offering free admission to any student capable of benefiting from instruction costs way too much
Lots of students never finished degrees or they just run up huge costs at the public expense
Whereas Grover Norquist would recommend drowning SRJC in a bathtub
Neoliberals much more reasonably say that the college needs to change so that it runs more like an efficient productive private-sector business
Specifically it needs to be more like a factory dedicated to the maximally efficient production of students
with certificates and degrees
Who can then be delivered to the market where students can pursue their private interest in a job and?
employers can satisfy their private interest in finding workers
Plus since neoliberals assert a commitment to social justice they also think that these reforms can erase long-standing
equity gaps in the production and certificates of degrees and certificates between all student demographics
If there is a single organization most responsible for the promotion of these ideas and for lobbying the state
legislature and the governor to pass laws that seek to remake the college in the image of a factory that is the Lumina Foundation for
education
Lumina is a nonprofit created in the year 2000 when a private sector student loan
Corporation called the USA group the largest private administrator and insurer of student loans in the country
Spun it off and gave it seven hundred million dollars to act as a think-tank a research body and a lobbying agent for neoliberal
Educational reform the Lumina Foundation is now worth about one and a half billion dollars
It spends tons of money lobbying the federal government and state legislatures all around the country
Ok this is a representative example of the Lumina foundations key ideas about higher education
Increasing numbers of economists labor experts and employers agree that for the nation to be economically secure and socially stable in coming decades
Our higher education system must be a more efficient engine for human capital development
Want to get your human capital developed you're in luck
What does it mean
to efficiently engineer and develop human capital a
recent book titled redesigning America's community colleges offers probably the most influential set of answers to that question I
Think it's fair to describe. This book is something of a Bible for proponents of the Student Success era and it's neoliberal rationale
The authors say that community colleges can no longer afford their traditional mission the public so say the authors is no longer
Willing to pay for that instead. They say that the public wants the colleges efficiently to produce more for the job market
Specifically the author set forth the following economic rationale
Which entails a new mission for the community colleges
assuming that the public will not pay for any funding increases to the community colleges and
Assuming that the public is demanding higher rates of graduation from the community colleges to meet job market demand
Then the mission of the community colleges in the Student Success era is to increase graduation rates while holding down costs or in other words
to produce graduates at a lower quote cost poor completion
That's from the book or a lower unit cost per certificate or degree
That's the mission
So I don't know if you're familiar with Industrial Engineering, but this is an industrial engineering mission
And I'm letting my bias slip. It's really not an educational mission
Yeah
Ok so if this is confusing to you if it's
Here's an analogy that I hope will help
Say the shareholders of Pepsi Corporation are unhappy with the dividend
They're earning per share of the town
At the shareholder meeting may express their unhappiness and so the order comes down to the Pepsi factories
We need you to produce and sell more cans of Pepsi while spending less money per can produced
It's the same thing
That's the basic economic logic of the Student Success era precisely the logic of a private private sector Factory
You are the product the can of Pepsi
I am the factory worker filling you with Pepsi and sending you out for sale in the job market
The public is the shareholders in the Pepsi Corporation?
What the Student Success act is telling me
Is to speed up the production process while at the same time spending less to produce each can of Pepsi?
The president of Skyline College down in the Bay Area is a big proponent of the Student Success Program
And skyline's new motto puts. It well get students in get them through and get them out
There is actually a term in industrial management theory for this sort of efficient
Acceleration of the production process the term is throughput
The historian Alfred Chandler studying the development of the factory system in 19th century America in his book the visible hand
Wrote that such an increase in the speed and volume of the flow of materials within a single plant, or works was called
throughput so throughput has become an important term for
industrial engineering theory and practice
in some an
accelerated educational process getting an end getting them through and getting them out more quickly and thus more cheaply is the explicit and
central goal of the student success era
it is thus no coincidence that one of the major pedagogical innovations of the student success era in california community colleges calls itself the
california acceleration project I
Have heard cap leaders in public sessions describe their goal in terms of increasing throughput of students
the term appears frequently in the cap literature
for example
The RP group is a non-profit educational research agency with ties to the Lumina Foundation
It works closely with the California
acceleration project tracking its success in increasing outputs of certificates and degrees and the RP group frames
the problem addressed by cap as
as follows low completion of transfer level English and math among basic still students or in other words low
throughput of basic skill students
The solution to the problem it follows is to increase fruit
as
You can see by the title of the RP group paper cap is focused on
What's probably the single most important social justice goal of the student success era in my opinion which is?
increasing equity and completion and graduation rates for students from historically underrepresented groups
This is an extraordinarily important goal in the data measuring caps progress in closing completion gaps is on its face
compelling I
Think achieving such equity is a critical matter of the public interest
And I believe that the faculty founders of cap and other faculty involved are sincerely and admirably committed to equity
Is the neoliberal industrial logic of the Student Success era enabling the California Community Colleges to achieve that goal of equity
I'm afraid I believe the answer is no
By way of explaining why let me offer a couple of?
Reflections on what might be your private interest in being here at Santa Rosa Junior
College and the era of Student Success and check those interests against the industrial logic
That I've just set forth
Let's say that you have a private interest in a degree from
SRJC because you have a private interest in getting a job that degree will qualify you for
The public also has an interest in seeing jobs filled and in seeing you pay taxes, so
far so good, let's
Use the vocabulary of neoliberalism to describe the money and time you spend privately to study here as your private
investment in your degree and your employment
The job you get and the money you earn will be the return on your investment
with a job your degree qualifies you for you will earn over your lifetime many times more than the amount you spent here at the
JC and much more than you would have if you hadn't completed a degree at the JC
your higher income will enable you to pay more taxes over your lifetime of work, so the public gets a return on its investment -
Everybody's happy it sounds good
There is a cost it's not exactly hidden, but it's easy to miss if you're in a hurry
By moving through to completion and degree as quickly as possible you have lost the educational
opportunities and a certain breadth and richness of education
That you might have accrued had you in the college been able to afford a slower and more leisurely pathway
through college for you
More on that lost brett's and richness of education in a minute
It gets worse by demanding that colleges produce more degrees at a lower cost the Student Success era creates strong
Incentives for colleges and teachers to award degrees no matter how good or bad the learning the students has been
Once colleges are funded according to the number of certificates and degrees they produce
We're not there yet, but we're headed in that direction
The incentive to inflate grades will be enormous
This is the flipside of what you will lose the student the quality of your education will suffer
Let's face it from the point of view of the Pepsi corporation the important thing is not the quality of the can of Pepsi
For the Pepsi corporation Pepsi need only be good enough for them to produce and sell as many as possible
With the lowest possible production costs and thus the highest possible profit margin
Look again at return on investment from the point of view of the private interests of students
From 1965 to 1998 the total amount of student loan debt for college in this country rose 30 fold
The average student who completes a bachelor's degree now carries 6 times the student loan debt of students 30 years ago
Remember that the Lumina Foundation was spun off from the country's largest private company for administering and insuring student loans
Might the founders of the Lumina Foundation
Think that large loan burdens on students are both in the private interest of those founders
as wealthy investors in the student loan industry and
also in the public interest as long as they produce rising and numerically equitable graduation rates I
Would say the founders of the Lumina Foundation?
might think that
Deep throat would say they probably do think that
The fact is that over the last 40 years it hasn't been getting easier
But much much harder for students to get a good return on their financial investment in higher education
It couldn't have been easier for me in 1976 paying zero dollars from the classes at the Community College. It's way harder for you
Now the state of California has just passed a bill making the first year of Community College free
This is a welcome step in the right direction
But the risk analysis for a return on your investment in college remains very uncertain and much riskier than used to be
and
Finally consider equity the ideal of the student success air is that students from historically underrepresented groups will finally have an opportunity
Equal to that of white students and others to earn certificates or degrees and so equipped with degrees
To compete fairly and equitably in the job market for good jobs and economic security and prosperity
This is an enormous lean critically important social goal for our state in our country
And I believe deeply that the Community College has a major role to play in reaching it
But I submit to you that the factory model of student success holds out the promise of reaching that goal
only by surreptitiously changing two critical definitions
The first is the definition of a degree in
The factory model a degree now signifies the completion of industrial process
There's highest values are speed and cheapness
That's not what a degrees to signify?
If you're a student from the historically underrepresented group in fact if you're a student from any group
You need to know that the foundational
Assumption of the student success error is that the public has an interest in spending less on your degree than it did online
To encourage you to get in and out as quickly and cheaply as possible
The Student Success error imposes caps on your total units that were not imposed on me and my generation
It pressures you to pick a major a program as quickly as possible
And to stick to that major a program in ways that did not apply to my generation
it puts limits on repeatability of courses that didn't exist for me in my generation and
strictures on financial aid that didn't exist for me and my generation
For the sake of achieving numerical equity in graduation rates between student demographics a student success era
Stealthily puts in place a historical inequity denying not only to students from historically underrepresented groups
But to all students the quality of education in the level of financial investment for each degree
That was offered to majority white students and past generations
The related, but even more important surreptitious changes in the definition of a student
let me offer this very traditional definition of a college student a
Novice learner seeking and aspiring to mastery and knowledge and practice of a specific discipline
The novice learner may not yet
Even know what the discipline is he or she may need to explore for a while to settle on a specific
aspiration on the discipline that best suits her interests and gifts
Different learners take different amounts of time to achieve mastery
Different disciplines have more or less obvious relevance to employability
It's the students right and responsibility to sort that relationship out herself
The student success error in telling you literally to get in get through and get out
sweeps aside that rich human diversity
Claiming that it costs too much to give it due respect
It treats you more like a can of Pepsi or as Alfred Chandler might say
Like a slug of pig iron sitting at the gate of a steel factory
If you're a slug of pig iron and the goal is to turn you into a steel beam
And then sell that beam in a free market
Then it makes sense to turn you from the slug of pig iron into a steel beam as quickly and cheaply as possible
But you're not slugs of pig iron
Nor are you cans of Pepsi?
When I look at you I still see students in the traditional sense aspiring learners
Seeking mastery no act of the legislature can turn you into an industrial product
Is it really in the public interest to Ramaiya college and the image of a factory
Well, I'm a member of the public and I say hell no
I'm totally up for paying higher taxes to pay you to stay in college to give you the time and space to
Explore the range of disciplines and decide which one is for you to experience college as a rich and welcoming experience
That you want to enjoy at your leisure
Rather than flogging you to get in and out as quickly as possible as if college were some kind of
Deal or punishment to get over with fast
Let's look again
if who the public actually is in the literature of Student Success
the public that refuses to pay more that demands more efficient production and so on
Economists labor experts and employers
Which one of those three groups is different from the other two
Might it be the case that the economists and labor experts the Lumina Foundation refers to are either directly or indirectly employed
by the employers
It might be the case
Might it be that the employers the Lumina Foundation
Refers to here at least some of them happen to believe with Gordon Gekko that greed is good
They might believe that
Deep throat would say they probably believe that
Now to be fair they might not
some of them might not
But here is my great concern
That the neoliberal rationale for the Student Success error including its rationale for the critical social justice of equity is really
masking a familiar and increasingly grim
anti-democratic reality the ruling classes project of increasing and tightening its hold on wealth and power
It turns out that applying free-market principles to community colleges colleges doesn't activate an invisible hand that
automatically produces social justice instead it appears as Alfred Chandler might say
That the neoliberal project is being directed by the visible hand of the employer class that is the ruling class
Which gets its employees trained at the public expense and at the private expense of employees?
who end up with crushing loads of student, debt and
that training
That education here at the Community College
no longer includes consideration of the big question is
the Student Success version of the relationship between public and private interests a good one
Because the neoliberal ideology of the Student Success era assumes that it's answered that question once and for all
Got an issue with the relationship between private and public interests
Apply the forces of the free market
It's fast it's cheap, and it's easy
Neoliberalism proposes that the scope of one citizenship is mostly covered by one's pursuit of private interest in a competitive market environment
to imagine that the scope of citizenship can so be limited is I believe a terrible and deadly error I
Believe that a genuinely free and independent citizen is a glorious creature
He or she of course works in pursuit of private interests and in that work adds to the total of social wealth
That is a crucial feature of citizenship
But he or she is also a member of many other larger communities
She is for example a lover of beautiful things and a member of various communities who share her love of beautiful things
Including things for which there is no market
children the natural world the history of her people the
Truths that emerge from scientific inquiry the great songs and stories that have been handed down through generations
And the wisdom they convey
And she brings this knowledge in these love's to her consideration of the great public questions of the day
What does a fair and just society look like how might we move closer to that ideal?
How can we use technology?
genuinely to improve our lives without destroying ourselves
How can we save free and democratic?
Societies from what seem to be their tendencies periodically to collapse into ethnic nationalism and authoritarianism
How much is it worth to the public to ensure that the citizenry is able to articulate
investigate debate and offer answers to such questions I
Think it's worth a lot more than the student success era is proposing to pay I
Think the Lumina foundations interest in producing such citizens as cheaply as cheaply and quickly
as possible through a factory process is
inhumane self contradictory and self-defeating I
Think the public has the greatest possible interest in a community college whose mission is to cultivate the full range of that rich
citizenship
What will such a college look like
As my colleague Michael Hale has helped me to see in many ways it won't look like the college of
1976 because that college and that society was not fair and just
Let me borrow Michaels words and saying that the challenge facing us is to co-create a vision of a college that has not yet existed
Founded in a commitment to educational excellence and to genuinely democratic and just equity
How much should the taxpayers be willing to pay to realize such a vision I
Think we should be willing to pay what it costs you may disagree
I hope we can have a vigorous reasonable informed debate on the question
But the question is not going to answer itself
Thank you
We have a few minutes comments questions
Tool
Well I have a short and a long answer that I'll stick with the short one I'm a people and I want to pay taxes
the the
and
The just to touch on the longer answer to go back to 1976 the state of California for complicated reasons, and that's the long answer
In 1972 it was paying for free admission to the University of California
I mean there are examples in American history where Americans have wanted to do great things
publicly
Yeah
No
No
Well, I mean again it you know privates, so you know it's at the Ivy League
this isn't happening because the Ivy League is the ruling class right so the ruling class will continue to get a
different kind of education there won't be a factory there but
There's all sorts of collateral damage being done there by this
Understanding of what education is and what a student is - I think that's that idea?
is
pervasive yeah
Yeah, and I think this is a gross oversimplification
But I'll say it anyway
I mean, we've just finished reading 1984 in the English department and O'Brien are actually an annual Goldstein
I think you know says what the party realizes is it to maintain power you need to keep the masses poor and ignorant
Somebody's thinking that believe me no maybe not
You know the agents of the Lumina Foundation, but believe me somebody is sure thinking that their question over there
Yeah
Most of the stuff that I've mentioned here is statewide its system light, it's not local and
Sam versus Community College as you know has been through a horrible crisis
And what they're trying to do is rebuild their enrollments because their fundings are still based their state funding is still based on enrollment
Yes
Should be focused on training students for
Yeah, so I mean I do want to emphasize
Job training is part of citizenship. I mean in my belief citizens. You know have have a responsibility to
To shoulder a burden for the society and to produce
And they have they have the right to do that that's an important, right
to do to do work that you believe in and that you
Like and that you can support yourself by that's a really critical role of higher education of course it is
But as as you said Jessie, what's happening here?
Is that the concept of Education is collapsing into that role and?
Actually, it's doing harm to the teaching of that role as to teaching of job skills - I think
Yeah, yes Kenny
In the Student Success era I think a lot of
Probably most of the faculty to the extent that they are sympathetic, and I think this is true of most of the faculty
With the the equity goals of the Student Success movement
that this is an issue in a way that that it didn't used to be I
Don't know if that's an evasive answer
I think different different people will have different answers to that, but I as a general answer. I think
That question is is more of more urgent in some ways than it has been before
Eric
I'm sorry
I should have been repeating a question my my answer to that question would be that I I don't think that we feel that
Very cute locally, but it's coming
At the state level a really really hard core
there's legislation and
and
policies that are being discussed that will
That will enact
Exactly that and then the pressure will increase on us locally
but as Terry said earlier the the majority of this is at the
State level of leadership and not necessarily here. It's not being produced by us
And and it's not it hasn't trickled down to all
114 California community colleges, but the it's being engineered that way at the top
This is Eric Thompson the academic senate president of the college so Eric knows a lot about what's going on
At the state level just just an informational point and then Stephanie the Student Success act came out of a political compromise
That was generated by a proposal in the state
Legislature to change the funding system of the California Community Colleges to a pay-for-performance
basis that is
We'd be paid by the number of cans of Pepsi's that we produce
That is to pay us for graduation rates instead of by enrollments, and so what happened in the legislature
was sort of
Triangulation people came up with Student Success and that got enough sort of votes
it didn't change the the funding scheme to
funding per outputs, and if that that pay-for-performance scheme and as I said
I hope this is clear if that happens
There is going to be tremendous pressure on everyone just to pass people because a pass equals money
That so that was the original
proposal back in
2007 and the Student Success era was a sort of a compromise that proposal is still out there
The the proposal to make it even more like a Pepsi Factory believe me, it's still out there, and it's it's still alive and kicking
And we we may end up confronting that
Stephani
The economic hardships of our students have definitely
influenced the way in which I
Sometimes great, and and I think our educational
the quality of education is it is affected by the
Hardships that we see our students have I've had students like all of us have who teach here have to drop the class
because their family's moving out of the state or out of the county and
You know when students come late because their boss
changed their schedule and
They have to skip miss a class this happens a lot so
Am I going to punish that student who misses the class because of that so those kinds of issues have really?
Affected the education that we're delivering and the fairness of it all is something that
makes it very complicated
Maintain a certain
So especially for faculty in the room although is obviously relevant to students who what Stephanie is talking about
Points to another feature of
The factory model which is that teachers are no longer in charge of their own discipline in their own instruction?
There is a boss telling the line workers what to do you're gonna have you're gonna apply these principles
You're not gonna make those judgment calls anymore
We're gonna make them for you in the name of efficiency and productivity mark oh, yeah, Terry in your critique
You clearly laid out the fact that the only positive value that the neoliberal model has is the increase of throughput?
That is to say it doesn't make any difference with the quality of the Pepsi is
It just makes a difference if you sell more cans of it
And so that is the only
argument for the neoliberal model
Would you not agree that has shown that it is in fact not productive. There is no argument for it left
Let's take for example the case study of the book start
part of the neoliberal model is the privatization of anything and the bookstore was privatized largely because
somewhat
Disingenuously, it was not productive. It was running at a loss and is now
presumably not doing so
Suppose for example the counter model were to exist that the students around the bookstore that
They deliberately ran it for a loss and that more students because they could afford more textbooks took more courses
Thus solving the completely unaddressed problem of the institution of falling enrollments and then also presumably?
Distributing more income throughout the community and thereby making the cost to each
taxpayer of the Community College that much less
Wouldn't that be the more productive model rather than the neoliberal one
Let me just pick out one thing from
Markov said the idea of running the bookstore to law they're having the students from the bookstore at a loss
I think it feels to me like we are so saturated by less a fair
economic theory in this country that
Even you know okay, I'm a liberal I sort of go running at a loss. I feel this cringe like well
We mustn't do that and what we've lost track of is this very traditional notion that it may be in the public interest
To run the bleep bookstore at a loss right. I mean the JC is a loss
You know public education is a loss if you're thinking in terms of
capitalists accounting
What societies need to do is say yes?
I want to spend money on that I'm not gonna get it a return on my goddamn investment. I'm not a capitalist now
I'm a citizen
there is a private room for me to be a capitalist and
That's a good thing because we produce lots of wealth and then I go out of that private realm
And I become a public citizen and I make different kinds of value judgments
Robert
All right Terry
So we're getting toward the end
I think there's natholi the last question
But I want to try and get this question
So a lot of our funding is going to depend is gonna come from the Student Success act right and it's currently conference to discuss
Act in spite of your critique. Do you still see any?
opportunities for us to implement
aspects of
Student Success act they could be beneficial well
I you know
I'm a faculty member, and I wish we had more time to hear more from students, but the faculty here is still dedicated committed
Relatively independent and autonomous, so there's tons of hope and I want the students to know that I think we have a really good
dedicated committed smart faculty here and
you know
We haven't
Were not the victims of a hostile takeover by some Wall Street financier that hasn't happened. I think this is still a great school
So really what I wanted to do going back to to to Michael's point?
Which has stuck with me since he said it
So strongly is that this great school is is really under serious threat, and the response can't be
Just to accept the threat or to try to go back to some distant model
Our challenge now really is to say what do we want this school to be it's not gonna be what the neoliberals?
Say it will be that's not going to work. It's self contradictory and self-defeating. What do we want to work? How?
What kind of college do we want to have what is real equity? What is real educational excellence let's not buy the
advertising of the Lumina Foundation
Let's really ask and answer those questions ourselves
that is the traditional role of
a public college
So yes, I think there's there's lots of hope
Okay, thank you very much. I'll stick around if someone wants to talk
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